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Post by valerobowie on Aug 7, 2014 23:22:47 GMT -5
Hey Mr. Edward,i like your military plaza picture above,is there any way you can get a zoomed in picture of the San Fernando church's dome perhaps-Valerobowie
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Post by edward on Aug 8, 2014 10:46:04 GMT -5
I think I put this in a public folder where I have placed 2 photos. Are you just interested in the 'Dome' valerobowie?
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Post by valerobowie on Aug 8, 2014 14:03:40 GMT -5
Ya pretty much Mr Edward,the picture has a great angle, and is love to get a zoomed in picture of the dome if you can,thanks
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Post by Rich Curilla on Aug 8, 2014 18:49:38 GMT -5
Above is an 1860's photo of San Fernando followed by a shot taken in 1910. Alas, Dustin, these are not the same domes. I don't know how different they are, but you might stick to the earliest photos for your model. In her 1977 "Chronology of Events for San Fernando," Mary Ann Noonan-Guerra says "1872 - The original dome of the church collapsed and the present dome was constructed." [ San Fernando - Heart of San Antonio by Mary Ann Noonan-Guerra, p. 20] And another (below) of the destruction of the 20th. century rectory in 1977, revealing the original apse and transept -- and that the low sacristy (or whatever) that was there in 1836 was completely rebuilt. I will e-mail you several others with detail that isn't needed here. Hope this helps. And thanks to whoever opened the door on attachments.
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Post by edward on Aug 8, 2014 21:59:10 GMT -5
Like Rich said 2 different domes. I added 2 more photos to the SF album. One is pretty big but it is a great picture and the other is shown below.
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Post by TRK on Aug 10, 2014 17:29:47 GMT -5
Jim deleted some photos the other day and freed up some space....which already has been filled up again, no doubt.
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Post by edward on Aug 12, 2014 17:37:33 GMT -5
According to family legend, in 1836, Santa Anna entered San Antonio through their property on the south side of Miltary Plaza and billetted two Mexican officers in the Ruiz Home (MSA p.199). The home became Broggie Store. According to Chavez interview, the home went through some alterations but stands very much as it did when it was occupied by the Ruiz family. Still searching for 'proof' but this is enough info to provide construction jobs for my virtual workers. LOL The Ruiz house without the pitched roof and without the porch, placed near the marker (on the left) in the photo below.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Aug 13, 2014 12:12:24 GMT -5
Still searching for 'proof' but this is enough info to provide construction jobs for my virtual workers. LOL Hey, we're all still searching for "proof" on most details. These models (IMO) are part of that search. We sit for a while and look at them and then say "Maybe so" or "Maybe not." The location certainly makes sense, since Santa Anna entered past the Campo Santo. While this suggests he personally and his staff and guard came into the plaza on Calle Presidio at the N.W. corner, the rest of the advance would have been crossing San Pedro Creek both there and on Dolorosa. I have depicted Dolorosa without a bridge -- just a ford across San Pedro -- since the main road was Presidio, but this wouldn't have been an issue to cavalry and probably infantry as well. One can envision Santa Anna or his staff snapping orders to occupy any house of choice and making it officers' quarters. Below, on Satellite Google Image, Santa Anna and staff enter at Presidio St. at the top and head directly for Plaza de las Islas and the Yturri house. The rest of the advance forces split between the two entry streets and occupy various points to "take" the plazas and the church. Attachments:
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Post by edward on Aug 16, 2014 18:47:12 GMT -5
In my twelfth year my father brought me to San Antonio, Tex., and apprenticed me to Jim Goodman to learn the trade of gunsmith. There I remained three years. Goodman killed a man, and was impris- oned; this ended my apprenticeship.
In the meantime my father had moved to Texas, near San Antonio, having bought a place on the Me- dina River, fifteen miles below town. San Antonio was then a very small place, consisting chiefly of straw- thatched jacales. I have played in the high weeds on the river where Commerce Street bridge now crosses. The Indians at that time often came into the town and stole horses, and had been known to kill people in the streets and carry off small boys. I hunted rabbits in the bend of the river between Houston and Com- merce Streets. It was difficult at times to bury the dead in the cemetery where Milam Park now is, for fear of the prowling Indians... --------------- Our horses were tied in the brush near by, and the Indians came and stole them. We went to General Harney and asked him for soldiers to go with us to get our horses, but he refused. Another boy and I went and followed them, but did not find them. As we were but two, we thought it dangerous to follow too far, and returned home. So I lost my first horse, to which I was much at- tached. The boy who went with me after the horse was Jacob Lynn, a German boy raised by a Mexican woman of San Antonio. He was the best shot I ever saw without exception. He could shoot a flying duck with a rifle. And I never saw a braver man than he became.
We went hunting once from San Antonio to Ban- dera County. We had four horses and six dogs. We killed several deer, a number of turkeys, one bear, and cut several bee trees. We found a bunch of wild cattle, most of them black or brown. We got after one and killed her. We emptied our guns into that cow before we killed her. Lynn had an eight- shooting pistol he had made himself, a rifle, and a pair of holsters; I had a rifle, a six-shooter, and a pair of holsters. Twenty shots went into the body of that black cow before we killed her. Then we camped. The Indians heard our shooting and came....
Extractions from Polly Rodriguez Autobiography (1829-1914)
Jacob Lynn was the boy adopted by Padre Maynes. Maynes died while Jacob was still a minor.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Aug 16, 2014 20:03:36 GMT -5
Extractions from Polly Rodriguez Autobiography (1829-1914) Jacob Lynn was the boy adopted by Padre Maynes. Maynes died while Jacob was still a minor. Man, I just started into reading this cold, and I thought you were telling the story about your youth. I began to doubt when the Indians stole your horse, but first figured you were just a d**n liar. LOL.
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Post by edward on Aug 18, 2014 23:18:59 GMT -5
Rich, sometimes I feel that old. LOL Some modern buildings around the Plaza. Not sure of the name of the building now over the priest property but the one North of the Church is the Municipal Plaza Building.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Aug 19, 2014 18:33:49 GMT -5
I have always known the building north of San Fernando as the Frost National Bank Building, but perhaps I just never heard the name of the building, just the bank -- or it's a new name.
Ha! I just checked and it has "Municipal Plaza Building" in big letters across the east face. There is a symbol on Google Earth that says "Riverview Towers" on the other building, but that could also be merely an office for same on the street level. Can't tell.
Did a street view and the main entrance on Soledad Street says "Riverview Towers" and seems to be the name of the whole building, as with "Municipal Plaza Building."
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Post by edward on Aug 20, 2014 23:00:30 GMT -5
OK, 'Riverview Towers'. I did not see it before when I did the street view but I checked again and found the branding like you said.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Aug 20, 2014 23:05:33 GMT -5
Just think of the ramp Santa Anna would have needed to get a cannon up there!
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Post by edward on Nov 14, 2014 23:14:43 GMT -5
The Bat Cave shown in the Sanborn map (1877) with an overlay of Giraud's Survey (1849).
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