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Post by edward on Jul 23, 2014 11:33:47 GMT -5
New Hotel near Molino Blanco - Wyndham-Garden.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Jul 24, 2014 14:29:17 GMT -5
This must be in the area that has been under construction across the street from the mill site, on the river side. The street itself is about where the river loop used to be until they "flood-channeled" it out of existance. I'll look at Giggle Earth and check.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Jul 24, 2014 14:45:28 GMT -5
Yep. It is about 300 feet S.E. of the probably mill site and only slightly more than 200 feet north of the new locks on the river. This area is going to go real commercial real fast. Too bad some digs can be planned for the totally vacant lot west of the hotel, right across from the mill site.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Jul 24, 2014 14:47:07 GMT -5
And just think! Austin and Burleson could have stayed in the Wyndham!
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Post by edward on Aug 3, 2014 14:33:55 GMT -5
I took this picture of Military Plaza from the Frost Bank Building.
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Post by jrboddie on Aug 3, 2014 15:43:47 GMT -5
Is the building adjacent to and south of the Governor's Palace part of the original Military Plaza quad? Are any other structures there from that era (other than the back of San Fernando, of course)?
Do you know what the buildings in the Military Plaza were used for in 1836?
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Post by edward on Aug 4, 2014 12:40:09 GMT -5
Is the building adjacent to and south of the Governor's Palace part of the original Military Plaza quad? Are any other structures there from that era (other than the back of San Fernando, of course)? Do you know what the buildings in the Military Plaza were used for in 1836? Only the Governor's Palace (Partial) and the Back of Church are in the original configuration of 1836 as far as I know. Francisco Ruiz owned some properties on the southwest corner of the Military Plaza. His House was moved to the Witte Museum and a marker was placed at that original location at Dolorosa Street.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Aug 4, 2014 15:17:43 GMT -5
And, while I can't be sure my memory is correct, Francisco Ruiz' house at the Witte was of a later period. The Navarro House too (in what was then Laredito, a barrio), which has been preserved and restored, would not have been there in 1836. But I agree totally with Edward. The only 1836 remains are the apse and transept of San Fernando and the eastern-most rooms of the Casa de Capitan (called the Governor's Palace in the 20th. century). Everything else I see in the photo is from the post-revolution (thus, Republic period and beyond) building boom -- mostly in the 1870's. Once the architecture starts looking like St. Louis, it ain't Spanish Colonial.
Also, with San Fernando, the northwestern structure (sacristy?) was rebuilt from the ground up in the 1970's. All that remained of the original San Fernando were the upright walls that are evident in your photo. The dome was rebuilt at some point (late 19th. century, I think), but is very like the original.
I think too that most of the doorways on the face of the Governor's Palace were made for business purposes after the Angloization of San Antonio. Compare early drawings of the Veramendi House with later photos. If it had a window, they changed it to a large door -- except for one or two. The Governor's Palace entrance with the carved frame and Hapsburg Coat of Arms on the keystone is original 1749 and would probably have been the only door on the east front. For my version in the model, I presented the current Governor's Palace measured from the HABS elevations and plans available online. One of these days, I'll redo it to my conjecture of its 1749 simplicity.
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Post by rayjr on Aug 4, 2014 18:14:59 GMT -5
Hello, Inside the Governor's palace they have a door in the back - they suggest that it is the front door of "The Priest's House" - which one I cannot say; either Manges, Garza, or Fuentes. I took a picture several years ago - grand notions that it was Fuentes. For some reason the forum has exceeded the attachment limit or I would post... Regards, Ray
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Post by Rich Curilla on Aug 4, 2014 18:38:37 GMT -5
Alas, me too. Que lastima! I love the enrichment of historical interpretation and education through imaging. Guess we just can't have that here. I don't remember seeing that door. Is it a hung door or just displayed? My guess is that, since in the 1890's, the only building which seems to have been regarded as "the Priest's House" was across the street to the N.E. of the Governor's Palace and identified by William Corner as Padre Maines' house, that would be where it came from. They also believed at that time that it was this house that played the lead role in the Texians' assault on Main Plaza! (Nobody every really thought these things through before.)
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Post by edward on Aug 4, 2014 18:49:38 GMT -5
Alas, me too. Que lastima! I love the enrichment of historical interpretation and education through imaging. Guess we just can't have that here. Rich, you must be having withdraw symptoms not being able to post your images and not wanting to assimilate.
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Post by edward on Aug 4, 2014 19:01:20 GMT -5
And, while I can't be sure my memory is correct, Francisco Ruiz' house at the Witte was of a later period. The Navarro House too (in what was then Laredito, a barrio), which has been preserved and restored, would not have been there in 1836. But I agree totally with Edward. The only 1836 remains are the apse and transept of San Fernando and the eastern-most rooms of the Casa de Capitan (called the Governor's Palace in the 20th. century). Everything else I see in the photo is from the post-revolution (thus, Republic period and beyond) building boom -- mostly in the 1870's. Once the architecture starts looking like St. Louis, it ain't Spanish Colonial. Also, with San Fernando, the northwestern structure (sacristy?) was rebuilt from the ground up in the 1970's. All that remained of the original San Fernando were the upright walls that are evident in your photo. The dome was rebuilt at some point (late 19th. century, I think), but is very like the original. I think too that most of the doorways on the face of the Governor's Palace were made for business purposes after the Angloization of San Antonio. Compare early drawings of the Veramendi House with later photos. If it had a window, they changed it to a large door -- except for one or two. The Governor's Palace entrance with the carved frame and Hapsburg Coat of Arms on the keystone is original 1749 and would probably have been the only door on the east front. For my version in the model, I presented the current Governor's Palace measured from the HABS elevations and plans available online. One of these days, I'll redo it to my conjecture of its 1749 simplicity. In a deed dated 1839, Francisco Ruiz purchased the land and house to the west of his house, bounded on the north by the Military Square with a street between, to the south new street. I have modeled the house and have it in my model and it does stick out because of the architecture. I can not say for sure if it was there or not in that configuration in 1836.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Aug 5, 2014 17:18:36 GMT -5
Alas, me too. Que lastima! I love the enrichment of historical interpretation and education through imaging. Guess we just can't have that here. Rich, you must be having withdraw symptoms not being able to post your images and not wanting to assimilate. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. PLTHHHHHHHHHH!
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Post by rayjr on Aug 5, 2014 19:19:47 GMT -5
Rich, It is in the back room - you have to look for it. It is not hung - but simply placed leaning up against a back wall. It has a contemporary frame around it - I suspect mainly to provide support for the integrity of the wood paneling in the door. I think they mentioned they had plans to mount it - but have not been back in over a year - so not up to date. The reason why I wanted to post the photo is so that you can get a look at the unique panel formation of the door. It actually has carved panels and then joined in sort of a coffered non-symmetrical pattern. I thought this might be useful for modelers to incorporate in their rendering of the period structures. I agree it is probably Padre Maines. But it is also possible that any door on the square during the "Siege" might have been irreparably damaged during the conflict or later during the flood. It remains an open question in my mind - where was Padre Fuentes' house as he was the resident Padre for just under 20 years up until 1790? Would a Padre that held the position for San Fernando for so long be so easily forgotten that all subsequent holders were more recognized locally as "THE Priest's House"? Would the town acknowledge multiple houses - or just the current one? His father Toribio occupied the property adjacent to and just north of San Fernando Church. His brother Ramon was alcalde of San Antonio in 1794 (He held over 4000 acres underneath what today is Hemisfair Tower & Park). But I agree - it was over 30 years prior to the Siege. We need the images - could not we create some kind of archive of older posted images such that fresh ones could continue to be added. If an older image is relevant it could be re-posted for discussion. For example, many of the images are iterations of much of the great modeling work being performed. Could older iterations be discarded, leaving current versions for discussion? I agree - we gotta have em Regards, Ray
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Post by Jim Boylston on Aug 7, 2014 11:36:57 GMT -5
Alas, me too. Que lastima! I love the enrichment of historical interpretation and education through imaging. Guess we just can't have that here. Hey Guys, Proboards provides 200 megs of free storage to the forum. That limit has been reached a number of times. In the past, I've accessed the attachment files and tried to remove old or redundant pictures from the server. This is a very time consuming, multi-step process and, at this point, I'm not sure what images people think are no longer relevant. If you have posted images that you know are now irrelevant or redundant (for example, images that appear in reposts or answers to previous posts), please provide this information and I'll delete said images to free up some space. There are a couple of other fixes for this that I've mentioned before. The first is to purchase more storage. A storage capacity of 500 megs is $3 per month, 800 megs is $6 per month, etc. I've checked with Proboards and, unfortunately, only the admin can purchase additional storage, so I can't post a link wherein forum members can donate. If any of you would like to donate the funds to buy a year of storage you can contact me via PM and we can set something up. Alternatively, one can open an individual account with a hosting service (such as photobucket) and post links to images on the forum. This is uncomplicated, free and the way things were handled in the past, before Proboards offered an attachment tool. Let me know what you'd prefer. Jim
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