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Post by Seguin on Apr 30, 2011 18:01:24 GMT -5
Indeed it would! They say the battle at Camerone, near Vera Cruz, is for the French Foreign Legion what the Alamo is for the Texans.
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Post by Chuck T on Apr 30, 2011 18:46:23 GMT -5
Hiram: Thanks for the reminder about Cameron. I shall break out a bottle of vinogel, unwrap the blood sausage and celebrate the occasion.
Seguin: There is a great seige movie on Dien Bien Phu called Jump Into Hell. I have not seen it since I was a teenager, so it may have been lost. What a great movie.
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Post by alamonorth on Apr 30, 2011 18:47:21 GMT -5
There are apparently several French films about the battle of Camerone, none of which I have seen.
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Post by Seguin on May 1, 2011 15:44:13 GMT -5
Too bad, I have´nt seen it. I believe the battle at Dien Bien Phu was the battle that made the French realize they had to grant Indochina independence from colonial rule.
Me neither. I hope one of them will be on TV one day. I watched a documentary about the French Foreign Legion, and the Legion holds a parade every year in remembrance of Camerone
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Post by Chuck T on May 1, 2011 18:16:12 GMT -5
Seguin: And you would be correct sir. Dien Bien Phu is so much like the Alamo in many ways, in that it was one of those turning point events in history. It also prestaged French expulsion from Algeria several years later. Along with Greece in the late 40's and Korea it ushered in a new type of limited objective war in my view.
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Post by Seguin on May 1, 2011 22:13:05 GMT -5
Yes, Dien Bien Phu was indeed a turning point event in history, certainly in French history. No doubt, it was an inspiration for people in other French colonies like for instance, Algeria.
I just had a look at Dien Bien Phu in Wikipedia, and it says the French lost 13.000 men there, killed or taken prisoners (many of them Legionnaires), and the Vietnamese (Vietminh) lost about 25.000. Those are huge numbers when you think about it.
Come to think of it, Stalingrad was another siege which cost a lot of lives, even more than at Dien Bien Phu.
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Post by doc on May 2, 2011 9:52:30 GMT -5
Has anyone mentioned Ridley Scott's KINGDOM OF HEAVEN? That epic film, in part, concerns the 1187 Siege of Jerusalem.
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Post by markpatrus on May 2, 2011 11:18:02 GMT -5
Don't forget 'Zulu' depicting the Battle of Rourke's Drift.
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Post by Allen Wiener on May 2, 2011 11:32:20 GMT -5
Doc - I'm reading "The Crusades Through Arab Eyes" by Amin Maalouf right now; will pay special attention to that part when I get there.
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Post by loucapitano on May 2, 2011 17:18:14 GMT -5
Any historical movie, if done properly, would be great. I think the campaign that resulted in the fall of Vicksburg could be spectacular, if done with the seriousness of "Gettysburg." I'm sure a good producer would find the right location to emulate the Mississippi River and the Vicksburg Heights. Look at what a good job they did with Fort Wagner in "Glory." Can someone please think of a way to get us back to John Wayne's Alamo?
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Post by Rich Curilla on May 2, 2011 17:35:42 GMT -5
Can someone please think of a way to get us back to John Wayne's Alamo? Republic. I like the sound of the word. Means people can live free, talk free.......................
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Post by Kevin Young on May 2, 2011 22:15:31 GMT -5
Any historical movie, if done properly, would be great. I think the campaign that resulted in the fall of Vicksburg could be spectacular, if done with the seriousness of "Gettysburg." I'm sure a good producer would find the right location to emulate the Mississippi River and the Vicksburg Heights. Look at what a good job they did with Fort Wagner in "Glory." Can someone please think of a way to get us back to John Wayne's Alamo? Sure...what aspect of it do you want to talk about?
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Post by loucapitano on May 3, 2011 16:56:33 GMT -5
How about the Mexican uniforms. They were so colorful, even my colorblindness could see how brilliant they were. Where did Wayne and the costume designers get the idea for different colors for each battalion? The short film that accompanies the DVD on the making of the film shows some sketches but only identifies them as white uniforms, artillary uniforms, lancers and dragoons along with the red and blue troops. I've wondered in what shape the actual uniforms could have been after the long winter march through desert and snowstorms. Any ideas?
Lou ("I've got to get back to the Alamo")
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Post by Kevin Young on May 3, 2011 17:46:23 GMT -5
How about the Mexican uniforms. They were so colorful, even my colorblindness could see how brilliant they were. Where did Wayne and the costume designers get the idea for different colors for each battalion? The short film that accompanies the DVD on the making of the film shows some sketches but only identifies them as white uniforms, artillary uniforms, lancers and dragoons along with the red and blue troops. I've wondered in what shape the actual uniforms could have been after the long winter march through desert and snowstorms. Any ideas? Lou ("I've got to get back to the Alamo") Tom Jones, a long time historical artist in San Antonio and Victoria told me when they were planning the Wayne film they came by his studio then in La Villita and he directed them to talk to Hefter when in Mexico City...and they never did. The Wayne costumes are based off of the mid-1820's plates done by Carlo Linati, an Italian who lived in Mexico from 1825-1828. These were published in book form in 1828. If you look at previous Alamo films, you will see that Linati was the inspiration of for Mexican Army costumes...destinctive with the wings on the coats and the national cockade circle or bullseye on the shako. Another feature is the small diamond shako plate. Hefter's comment on the Wayne Mexican Army costumes were that they were "ten years to early" for the Alamo campaign (Mexico had adopted new uniforms in 1832 and 1833). Of course, there are many folks who champion the concept that the Mexican Army was still wearing the uniforms Linati shows during the 1836 campaign. The mix of the uniform colors or rather materials in regards to the wool tail coats and the white canvas/fatique/tropical uniforms is actually not that far off-from the log book of the Activo San Luis Potosi Battalion we know they actual turned over their wool coats to be used by the permanentes prior to arrival in San Antonio. As a result, the San Luis fought the Alamo and the Goliad Campaign in their "whites."
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Post by Kevin Young on May 3, 2011 17:48:33 GMT -5
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