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Post by cantador4u on Jul 26, 2013 12:17:16 GMT -5
I was looking around the web for Alamo pictures and came across a photo that supposedly shows "Republic of Texas flag flown at the Alamo". The flag is housed at the Museo Nacional de las Intervenciones located in Mexico City. The URL is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museo_Nacional_de_las_Intervenciones and the image is found toward the bottom on the page. I have a problems with this image. Knowing how tattered and faded the New Orleans Greys' banner is, this flag looks to be in too good of shape. There is another image at commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BattleAlamoMexDisplayChurubuscoDF.JPG that is captioned with "Display of items of Mexican army from the Battle of the Alamo..." The picture shows a Mexican flag, a small red banner on a lance, and a couple of beat-up short muzzle loaders. I'm hoping that someone will have more information about these displays. Paul Meske, Chippewa Falls, WI |
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Post by Paul Sylvain on Jul 28, 2013 19:37:14 GMT -5
Interesting, but it doesn't look any flag I've seen that was thought to be flown at the Alamo during the siege in 1836. "Republic of Texas" flag? Well, Texas became a Republic four days before the final battle, but I don't believe the men in the Alamo was aware of that vote.
Also, consider the source: Wikipedia. The site can be helpful, but there is no fact verification done on entries made. Anyone can post most anything.
This flag looks store-bought new to me.
Paul
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Post by estebans on Jul 31, 2013 5:14:55 GMT -5
I can't help thinking of the practice of running new flags up the pole at historic landmarks and selling them as "flown at." I don't know whether the Alamo does that now, but if they did it in the recent past and this is one such, the museum could say with much honesty that it is a RoT flag flown at the Alamo . . . just leaving out the part about when.
The carbines are both percussion types and had to have been converted later if used at the Alamo, which seems pretty common with Texas Revolution guns. I would think there were quite a few flintlock carbines carried by Mexican cavalry at the battle, so it's not wholly misleading. What we see might be whatever was not "de-accessioned" or is what someone was willing to loan; aren't authentic Mexican Brown Besses and Baker rifles highly collectible guns?
Stephen Schneider
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Post by Rich Curilla on Jul 31, 2013 18:34:20 GMT -5
Perhaps it is like the Alamo Gift Shop Museum where they have items (Bowie Knives for example) on display in museum cases that are indeed replicas made in modern days, but they are labeled as such.
Clearly, the flags look of modern make. The Texas flag could well be one of the flags they sell (sold?) that the shrine flew and then put up for sale, like the White House and the Capitol. The Texas Flag of today (which that is) wasn't created until 1839, and the only captured Alamo flag extant is the New Orleans Greys company banner which has just been restored and is on permanent display at Chapultepec Museum. The carbine on the lower left appears indeed to be a flintlock converted to percussion and could well have been captured at the Alamo or was one of the Mexican dragoon carbines.
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Post by Paul Sylvain on Aug 6, 2013 19:53:18 GMT -5
Perhaps it is like the Alamo Gift Shop Museum where they have items (Bowie Knives for example) on display in museum cases that are indeed replicas made in modern days, but they are labeled as such. Clearly, the flags look of modern make. The Texas flag could well be one of the flags they sell (sold?) that the shrine flew and then put up for sale, like the White House and the Capitol. The Texas Flag of today (which that is) wasn't created until 1839, and the only captured Alamo flag extant is the New Orleans Greys company banner which has just been restored and is on permanent display at Chapultepec Museum. The carbine on the lower left appears indeed to be a flintlock converted to percussion and could well have been captured at the Alamo or was one of the Mexican dragoon carbines. Exactly, Rich. I was only aware of the New Orleans Greys flag. Certainly this flag is of way too recent vintage to have flown over the Alamo. |
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