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Post by jesswald on Mar 22, 2010 19:32:19 GMT -5
The 1824 flag materializes behind Davy at the end of the Disney movie, as well. Peculiar that these filmmakers would choose to depict the gallant heroes sacrificing their lives for the sake of the 1824 constitution, as opposed to Texan independence. Usually, Hollywood forsakes historical accuracy for the sake of the drama.
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Post by marklemon on Mar 22, 2010 21:13:08 GMT -5
Looking again at Lindley's book, "Alamo Traces," or at least the portion pertaining to the Alamo flag, we have the following quote: "In spite of Almonte's belief, it is extremely unlikely that the standard ( the two-star tricolor) represented Texas and Coahuila. Texians had been working to separate Texas from Coahuila since the early 1830's. At this time there is no other evidence that clearly defines the two-star tricolor. Speculation, however, suggests that the banner was probably the Sam Houston flag for independence. The stars, a United States design attribute, most likely represented the Anglo-Celtic American and Mexican partnership in the proposed Grant and Johnson confederacy. The Mexican tricolor element probably symbolized the proposed nation's genesis from Mexican soil. The use of San Houston's name, probably on the reverse of the two-star panel, was an attempt to convince the volunteers from the United States that Houston supported the confederacy. Even if this explanation for the design is off base, the two star tricolor appears to have been the Alamo standard." I partly agree with Tom on this, but only in that the two-star flag is the overwhelming favorite for being the Alamo's standard. Almonte most likely heard, or was told, the meaning of the two-stars by someone who knew, and I wouldn't just dismiss his description of it so offhandedly. And as for the Houston designation being on the reverse of the flag, this is pure speculation, and it strains credulity a bit to think that the two known adults who are known to have documented the flag, never saw the reverse of the flag, and only saw the obverse.
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Post by stuart on Mar 23, 2010 8:58:11 GMT -5
Again I’m pretty well in agreement with Mark here and have wondered whether there was any connection between the “Houston” flag and the two starred tricolour. While there’s no doubt that there was a “Houston” flag there’s absolutely no evidence that it actually had his name written on it. On the contrary, the implication of the source quoted by TRL is that his name was falsely associated with the flag by Grant, which in turn suggests that far from representing independence, as advocated by Houston, it represented the opposite and that would point to the 1824 flag. Similarly the same letter referred to a “Houston House”, presumably in one of the plazas, and again by implication the headquarters building.
All of which, I suggest, strengthens my argument that the two stars were added to the 1824 tricolour by Neill and his Secesh the day after Grant marched for the Rio Grande.
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Post by stuart on Mar 23, 2010 8:59:37 GMT -5
The 1824 flag materializes behind Davy at the end of the Disney movie, as well. Peculiar that these filmmakers would choose to depict the gallant heroes sacrificing their lives for the sake of the 1824 constitution, as opposed to Texan independence. Usually, Hollywood forsakes historical accuracy for the sake of the drama. Ah but once again you have to bear in mind the influence of Reuben Marmaduke Potter and his "authoritative" statement that this was the flag flown over the Alamo
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Post by Kevin Young on Mar 24, 2010 16:10:15 GMT -5
Woolsey, in his second volume translation of Filisola, notes on page 135 a Mexican circular dated 28 January 1836 that notes the "enemy" are flying a flag like that of the United States of North America having instead a field of blue with stars a white field with a cross and the number 1824.
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Post by TRK on Mar 24, 2010 16:37:56 GMT -5
Woolsey, in his second volume translation of Filisola, notes on page 135 a Mexican circular dated 28 January 1836 that notes the "enemy" are flying a flag like that of the United States of North America having instead a field of blue with stars a white field with a cross and the number 1824.Just to clarify, the circular quoted in Woolsey's note refers to a design of flag observed on Texan ships--specifically, one that arrived in New Orleans during this period.
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Post by Kevin Young on Mar 24, 2010 18:16:06 GMT -5
Woolsey, in his second volume translation of Filisola, notes on page 135 a Mexican circular dated 28 January 1836 that notes the "enemy" are flying a flag like that of the United States of North America having instead a field of blue with stars a white field with a cross and the number 1824.Just to clarify, the circular quoted in Woolsey's note refers to a design of flag observed on Texan ships--specifically, one that arrived in New Orleans during this period. Did not mean to imply it was flying over the Alamo...just noting another variation of an 1824 flag. Sorry for the confusion. It was not intentional.
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Post by TRK on Mar 24, 2010 18:49:25 GMT -5
No sorry's necessary, QM
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