Post by TRK on Nov 1, 2007 9:24:33 GMT -5
This post is a synthesis of messages from Stuart's "Ben Milam" thread in the "Texas Revolution and Republic of Texas" section. These posts were starting to take the thread off-topic; hence, the new thread:
Stuart wrote on October 31, 2007:
Grant was also a "Jefe de Armas" (Colonel?) in the Coahuila Militia and acting as an officer in the Federal service of Mexico. Milam, who arguably was working for Grant, also derived his title as Colonel from the Mexican service.
trk replied on October 31:
A jefe de armas could be a generic term meaning a military chief or commander, but the more specific usage in the 19th century (and, no doubt, the Grant example) was for an appointed military commander with jurisdiction over a certain locality or territory. You'll see jefes de armas for military posts, cities, districts, provinces, etc. I believe it was a title, not a rank.
Stuart replied on October 31:
Thanks Tom, that was pretty much what I thought, but wondered if in a broader sense it would "translate" in American terms as a colonel of militia. Grant in this case was jefe de armas for Parras.
trk replied on October 31:
I can't say for a fact if a jefe de armas was considered militia. And, I'm not sure if there was an equivalent position in American military/political culture during that era.
Stuart replied on November 1:
Although I don't have the texts to hand the initial reference to Grant as a jefe de las armas is in Robles 1:24, while he's more specifically described as commanding the civic militia of Parras in 1:510
trk replied on November 1:
The pertinent references to Grant in Vito Alessio Robles, Coahuila y Texas Desde la consumación de la Independencia hasta el Tratado de Paz de Guadalupe Hidalgo (2 vols.) (Mexico: 1945; reprint, Editorial Porrua, 1979), are:
I, p. 510 (reference is to events in 1834): "En Parras fue designado jefe de la milicia cívica el norteamericano [sic] con ciudadanía coahuiltexana, don Diego Grant, quien se puse del lado de los monclovitas." (In Parras, Don Diego [James] Grant, an American with citizenship in Coahuila and Texas, was designated chief of the civic militia; he aligned himself the Monclovans [in the dispute with Saltillo over the location of the state legislature]."
I, p. 520: reference to "Diego Grant, jefe de armas en la misma Parras" in July 1835.
(no references to Grant in I, 24)
Stuart replied on November 1:
Obviously a misprint in my notes, but either way I'm assuming that in this case at least jefe de la milicia cívica and jefe de armas en la misma Parras mean the same thing.
Stuart wrote on October 31, 2007:
Grant was also a "Jefe de Armas" (Colonel?) in the Coahuila Militia and acting as an officer in the Federal service of Mexico. Milam, who arguably was working for Grant, also derived his title as Colonel from the Mexican service.
trk replied on October 31:
A jefe de armas could be a generic term meaning a military chief or commander, but the more specific usage in the 19th century (and, no doubt, the Grant example) was for an appointed military commander with jurisdiction over a certain locality or territory. You'll see jefes de armas for military posts, cities, districts, provinces, etc. I believe it was a title, not a rank.
Stuart replied on October 31:
Thanks Tom, that was pretty much what I thought, but wondered if in a broader sense it would "translate" in American terms as a colonel of militia. Grant in this case was jefe de armas for Parras.
trk replied on October 31:
I can't say for a fact if a jefe de armas was considered militia. And, I'm not sure if there was an equivalent position in American military/political culture during that era.
Stuart replied on November 1:
Although I don't have the texts to hand the initial reference to Grant as a jefe de las armas is in Robles 1:24, while he's more specifically described as commanding the civic militia of Parras in 1:510
trk replied on November 1:
The pertinent references to Grant in Vito Alessio Robles, Coahuila y Texas Desde la consumación de la Independencia hasta el Tratado de Paz de Guadalupe Hidalgo (2 vols.) (Mexico: 1945; reprint, Editorial Porrua, 1979), are:
I, p. 510 (reference is to events in 1834): "En Parras fue designado jefe de la milicia cívica el norteamericano [sic] con ciudadanía coahuiltexana, don Diego Grant, quien se puse del lado de los monclovitas." (In Parras, Don Diego [James] Grant, an American with citizenship in Coahuila and Texas, was designated chief of the civic militia; he aligned himself the Monclovans [in the dispute with Saltillo over the location of the state legislature]."
I, p. 520: reference to "Diego Grant, jefe de armas en la misma Parras" in July 1835.
(no references to Grant in I, 24)
Stuart replied on November 1:
Obviously a misprint in my notes, but either way I'm assuming that in this case at least jefe de la milicia cívica and jefe de armas en la misma Parras mean the same thing.