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Post by alanhufffines on Aug 25, 2010 13:18:10 GMT -5
It is a major tradition that Santa Anna had his massed bands play the Deguello! as his men attacked the Alamo in the pre-dawn chill of March 6. Unfortunately, this possibility has much going against it. 1. It was the culmination of a series of bugle calls for the cavalry, not the infantry, specifically designed to accompany a mounted cavalry charge a-la Errol Flynn's Custer at Gettysburg in They Died With Their Boots On. It would have little use for infantry and, as a signal used to convey orders on the battlefield, it would have confused them. 2. It was (I believe) first mentioned by Reuben M. Potter in his 1860 account of the battle, and not heard of before this. 3. No primary sources refer to it, discounting Madam Candelaria's late-19th. century story and, if memory serves, an embellished latter-day Susanna Dickinson account. These were both after Potter's version was well circulated and read. Candelaria must have been well-read in her dotage to have made the connection between an obscure Mexican bugle command and the Alamo. One of the many reasons I accept her as an eyewitness.
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Post by Jim Boylston on Aug 25, 2010 14:58:26 GMT -5
alanhuffines wrote:
Alan, I might have a digital copy of this. If you have access to an FTP site I could upload it for you. (I'm assuming it's out of print and I wouldn't be violating anyone's copyright.) Jim
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Post by alanhufffines on Aug 25, 2010 15:05:03 GMT -5
alanhuffines wrote: Alan, I might have a digital copy of this. If you have access to an FTP site I could upload it for you. (I'm assuming it's out of print and I wouldn't be violating anyone's copyright.) Jim You're a peach! Regrettably I have no idea what a 'FTP' site is?
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Post by Allen Wiener on Aug 25, 2010 20:37:29 GMT -5
PM me.
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Post by Jim Boylston on Aug 25, 2010 21:48:50 GMT -5
We figured it out.
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Post by Allen Wiener on Aug 25, 2010 23:38:07 GMT -5
We figured it out. Cool!
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Post by Rich Curilla on Aug 30, 2010 19:19:02 GMT -5
From Music of the Alamo: "Ray Herbeck, Jr., the Associate Producer of Alamo…The Price of Freedom, also produced an historical album on cassette in 1989 titled Remember the Alamo! – Mexican & Texian Music of 1836. Herbeck, who played rhythm guitar on the collection, recruited musicians who specialized in period music. Using such instruments as the fife, recorder, mandolin, fiddle, bagpipes and wooden flute, Herbeck and his musical comrades carefully replicated such historical compositions as 'The Girl I Left Behind,' 'Old Rosin the Bow,' and 'The Deguello.'" THIS is the album I wish had been sold on CD, not the music score. I'm afraid I wasn't all that impressed with the score, but I love the feel of the Herbeck recording.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Aug 30, 2010 19:40:51 GMT -5
Does anybody know where I could listen to a version of the real Deguello? I've heard the versions in The Wayne Alamo movie and the 2004 version, and from what I understand they are either heavily modified or music specifically composed for the movie. I've always been curious as to what it really sounds like. The Deguello as played in the 2004 movie is the real Deguello. The only modification is that Carter Burwell slowed it down so that it ultimately could be accompanied by his fiddle counterpoint melody that Billy Bob Thornton played (actually Craig Eastman). But note for note, it is the original as on the sheet music. This same original was played at correct tempo in Alamo: The Price of Freedom.Tiomkin wrote his own version so that it could be used as a major theme throughout the score. Listen to the new Progue Philharmonic version of the complete score to hear how intricately Tiomkin interwove it. Steiner also wrote his own for The Last Command. What's amazing is that he used one of the other attack cavalry calls from the same printed music as the Deguello in his score for Treasure of Sierra Madre, so he was well aware of the real thing. Tiomkin too, no doubt. But the primary need was the film.
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Post by Kevin Young on Sept 1, 2010 13:17:41 GMT -5
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Post by Jim Boylston on Sept 1, 2010 17:08:25 GMT -5
Hey, Rich made the YouTube!
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Post by Rich Curilla on Sept 3, 2010 11:32:14 GMT -5
Best treatis on the Deguello I've ever heard. Who IS that guy??? (Hey, how could I resist with a biker group called the Deguellos?)
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Post by Rich Curilla on Sept 3, 2010 11:32:45 GMT -5
Hey, Rich made the YouTube! Some kind of zenith. lol.
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Post by mjbrathwaite on Jan 20, 2011 20:40:42 GMT -5
I've just discovered this thread and could have used it nine years ago: I recorded the "Deguello" from the John Wayne film and "Rio Bravo" for an album, assuming it was the real one and therefore out of copyright. However, before the CDs were manufactured, it occurred to me that Dimitri Tiomkin had written the music for both films and that the tune I'd recorded might be his. After searching in vain for the sheet music of the real one, I wrote a different tune that fitted the backing track I'd done, and rerecorded the melody to avoid risking a breach of copyright. Some time later, I found the music in a Robert Alter novel I'd had for years but hadn't got around to reading! M.J. Brathwaite.
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