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Post by Kevin Young on Apr 30, 2010 7:05:47 GMT -5
Of interest...http://www.herald-review.com/news/local/article_50390e9a-c43b-50a5-9ca4-81f53ad86010.html
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Post by mustanggray on Apr 30, 2010 12:43:41 GMT -5
Interesting! I like the picture of the lady holding the leg like a bat... something about Doubleday?! Wild!!!
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Post by mustanggray on Apr 30, 2010 13:09:24 GMT -5
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Post by TRK on Apr 30, 2010 13:21:01 GMT -5
Those chevrons are almost big enough to dislocate that mannequin's shoulder.
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Post by Allen Wiener on Apr 30, 2010 14:39:50 GMT -5
That's the first time I've seen either of them, although we wrote up the whole story in "Music of the Alamo." After the leg was captured, U.S. soldiers soon began singing a tune called "The Leg I Left Behind Me," to the tune of "The Girl I left Behind Me," with derisive lyrics about Santa Anna.
Allen
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Post by Seguin on May 1, 2010 1:34:23 GMT -5
The article says: "Everybody thinks we went to war in World War I because the Germans sunk the Lusitania. No we didn't. We went to war because the Germans offered the Mexicans all of that territory back if Mexico would side against us." - That´s the first time I hear that story. I have a hard time believing it. Who would enter into WW 1, because of that (if it´s true, that is)? Even if the Germans had won WW 1, how could that ever give American territories back to Mexico? It´s probably just another tale by this 'Bill' who also says Santa Anna died in exile and was buried in Los Angeles. ;D
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Post by TRK on May 1, 2010 9:25:35 GMT -5
Seguin, one can argue the causes of the US entry into the war, but the German/Mexican angle was a very real and important issue. I recommend doing a little reading on the Zimmerman telegram, or better yet, read Barbara Tuchman's book The Zimmernan Telegram.
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Post by Kevin Young on May 1, 2010 9:31:38 GMT -5
The article says: "Everybody thinks we went to war in World War I because the Germans sunk the Lusitania. No we didn't. We went to war because the Germans offered the Mexicans all of that territory back if Mexico would side against us." - That´s the first time I hear that story. I have a hard time believing it. Who would enter into WW 1, because of that (if it´s true, that is)? Even if the Germans had won WW 1, how could that ever give American territories back to Mexico? It´s probably just another tale by this 'Bill' who also says Santa Anna died in exile and was buried in Los Angeles. ;D Well, the died in exile and buried in LA is over the top, but the Zimmermann Telegraph was one of the things that got Wilson to ask for a declaration of war againt Germany. When the German's were getting ready to resume unrestricted submarine warfare, the German Foreign Secretary Zimmermann sent a coded telegraph to their minister in Washington to be forwarded to their ambassador in Mexico with the following deal: if Mexico would come in on Germany's side, Germany would provided material and if the war ended with a German victory, Mexico could reclaim all of its lost territory from the United States. The Germans were pretty sure that once their subs started up again, the Americans would come into the war, so, the Germans were trying to start an North American front to keep the US busy on the Rio Grande. The British got a hold of it, forwarded it to Wilson. While not the actual cause of the US Declaration of War, it was part of the chain. The Mexicans, despite anti-US feeling (remember Pershing had just been chasing after Pancho Villa) thought the plan would not work and declined. By that time the US was at war with Germany.
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Post by Seguin on May 1, 2010 21:21:10 GMT -5
Thanks, trk and Kevin! - I´ve never heard of the Zimmerman telegram before now. Interesting telegram! At least I was right in assuming the telegram was´nt the actual cause that got the US into the war, although it played a part. However, I think the Mexicans were right in thinking the the plan of getting their lost territory back with the help of the Germans would´nt work. It seems to me like the Germans were promising the Mexicans way too much in order to get them to create some serious trouble on the Rio Grande for the US. It sounds like a far fetched plan, but we´ll never know for sure since Germany lost the war.
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Post by stuart on May 5, 2010 3:20:14 GMT -5
As many of you will know one of the more thorough studies of the Goliad business was produced by Hobart Huson www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/goliadframe.htmWhat's interesting in this context is that it was originally the basis of a lecture on the defensive strategy in the event of just such a Mexican invasion and while it was delivered in 1942, I believe that the outline of this strategy dated back to WW1
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