Post by sloanrodgers on Jan 6, 2011 0:14:58 GMT -5
I thought the 2004 movie was better than Wayne's and half the films that came out that year. Some of the big budget extravaganzas are long on talent, sound/ music and special effects, etc., but short on a believable plot. Avatar was great in the theater, but I don't think I will ever rent or buy the DVD for a second viewing. It is all about the story for me or not.
I first saw the 2004 Alamo film in a theater. I have a copy on DVD and have watched it numerous times. I agree with you that this was the better and more accurate of the two films. But Wayne's film started it all, more so than 'The Last Command' with Sterling Hayden. Both films suffered bad timing for their release. The 2004 film being up against 'The Passion of the Christ.' Wayne's Alamo had the early stages of the war in Vietnam leaving a sour taste in the movie going public. I remember it being rereleased years later on the big screen and still did not do to well. The lack of success at the box office for the latter film was a subject of heated discussion and contention on the former Alamo film website.
Post by phoenix1836 on Jan 10, 2011 11:33:00 GMT -5
Tho the film took certain liberties, I enjoyed it. There were parts that were upsetting, such as the fact that Bonham got zero character time and the fact that the film left out the reinforcement of March 4th. Those would of enriched the film in my opinion. The final battle scene was very good and realisitic to real combat. The enemy would of closed the distance of no man's land very quickly, resulting in the fight becoming very close. And they made a point of showing just how much damage the defenders were inflicting from the chapel battery and the south wall cannons.
For Hollywood I don't think we are going to see, or ever will see again, anything better than this film. I doubt $145 million USD in capital will be risked again on an Alamo film.
I found it very entertaining and also fairly accurate, especially compared to other films. I've watched it 3 times now from my desk and each time it was a better experience. The extras on the disk are good too. Texan film director took it to heart. Dennis Quaid, another Texan did too. Billy Bob Thornton was right on.
Travis/Patrick Wilson "We will call that Texas" speech --
Now there would be a character study for a film maker-- James Butler Bonham.
I agree wholeheartedly. Not to get off topic, but I hope to begin writing an extensive biography on Bonham after this summer. Marc Blucas, from my understanding, was very, very upset after his role was entirely cut from the film. But, then again, so was Wes Studi and others.
As for the 2004 Alamo film. I love it. But I most certainly believe Disney screwed the pooch on that film. So much heart from cast and crew, so little support.
Lets hope HBO adopts some Alamo screenplay and spawn a series similiar to John Adams or Band of Brothers.
Post by Bill Yowell on Apr 7, 2011 10:29:19 GMT -5
I too am a big fan of Alamo2004, but don't share the same enthusiasm many others do for Waynes' Alamo. To me Wayne drifted too far from the story too many times. Looking back I so looked forward to the completion of Alamo 2004, and then the change in director and other problems and you just new that it too was going to fall short. Hey the HBO series sounds like a winner to me. It's up to people like this forum to keep the Alamo alive. Here's hoping for another and better movie telling of this great story.
Post by Allen Wiener on Apr 7, 2011 14:45:46 GMT -5
I have not heard of any TV mini series about the Alamo, but I've always thought that it would have been a lot better if the 2004 movie had gone that route instead of a theatrical release. The editing of that film is atrocious and really ruined the film. It had a lot of other things going for it and I think it would have been a great mini series on HBO, maybe on a par with "John Adams." They would have had more time to develop characters, fill in their back stories, blend the Alamo events with other events in Texas at the time, and included both Goliad and San Jacinto. We might even have found out who Bonham and the Dickensons were!
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