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Mr Rose
Jan 29, 2012 18:54:42 GMT -5
Post by sloanrodgers on Jan 29, 2012 18:54:42 GMT -5
Good news and research. Thanks for posting. I never saw the stem that connected those two Rose's anyway. Rose existed. People just got his story mixed up. See my earlier posts here.
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Mr Rose
Jan 29, 2012 20:03:09 GMT -5
Post by Kevin Young on Jan 29, 2012 20:03:09 GMT -5
I have no problem that Rose existed. The guy in France was not "Rose" but rather "Roze. "
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Mr Rose
Jan 29, 2012 22:16:34 GMT -5
Post by sloanrodgers on Jan 29, 2012 22:16:34 GMT -5
I have no problem that Rose existed. The guy in France was not "Rose" but rather "Roze. " Well, that's good, but I think Rose and Roze are basically the same name when searching in old archives or on the internet. Roze is either the French or phonetic version of the other. Like Smith and Symth or Young and Yung.
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Mr Rose
Jan 30, 2012 11:52:15 GMT -5
Post by Kevin Young on Jan 30, 2012 11:52:15 GMT -5
Except in this case it appears that Roze in the French military archives is a completly different person than the Rose who ends up in Texas.
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Mr Rose
Jan 30, 2012 13:55:25 GMT -5
Post by Allen Wiener on Jan 30, 2012 13:55:25 GMT -5
This is confusing. Given all the evidence, it's possible someone did get out of the Alamo alive. Beyond that, I don't think anything about this possibility is clear. The focus on someone named Rose may be misleading. Maybe Zuber's family met the survivor, maybe not; maybe they concocted the whole story or embellished whatever the survivor told them; maybe they made up the name Rose or young Zuber just got it wrong. Maybe, maybe, maybe. The only thing that does seem possible is that someone got out of there, possibly wounded, and lived to tell the tale; or not. If he did, who knows what (if any) tale he told. It doesn't look like this alleged person has anything to do with the Roze from France.
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Mr Rose
Feb 2, 2012 23:01:01 GMT -5
Post by Rich Curilla on Feb 2, 2012 23:01:01 GMT -5
Now you've done it, Allen. Just when I thought I knew exactly what happened at the Alamo. LOL.
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Mr Rose
Feb 2, 2012 23:43:05 GMT -5
Post by Jake on Feb 2, 2012 23:43:05 GMT -5
What about those other two guys that got out? The ones mentioned by Walter Lord in A Time To Stand, p. 208, and that Gary, bless him, found the actual article and gave it to us on p. 203 in Altar; they came into Nacogdoches and reported the Alamo had fallen, and this story was brought to the Little Rock Arkansas Gazette and published on March 29, a week before any other newspaper put out the word. One was badly wounded, the story says, but apparently not the other one.
Why didn't these guys write down their story, darn it!?!?
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Post by sloanrodgers on Feb 3, 2012 0:00:45 GMT -5
Except in this case it appears that Roze in the French military archives is a completly different person than the Rose who ends up in Texas. Yea, that French romance story never held any water because that author never brought his Roze across the big pond with documentation.
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Mr Rose
Feb 4, 2012 10:52:03 GMT -5
Post by Kevin Young on Feb 4, 2012 10:52:03 GMT -5
Except in this case it appears that Roze in the French military archives is a completly different person than the Rose who ends up in Texas. Yea, that French romance story never held any water because that author never brought his Roze across the big pond with documentation.
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Mr Rose
May 5, 2017 14:22:25 GMT -5
Post by Joshua on May 5, 2017 14:22:25 GMT -5
As far as I understand it, Louis Rose took part in the battle for Bexar in December 1835. I hadn't realised that there was a doubt that he actually existed at all.... I thought it was generally accepted that he did? Anyhow, if he did exist and did take part in ousting Coz from Bexar, does anyone know his movements after this action? Did he simply stay in San Antonio until the arrival of Santa Anna? Or did he go elsewhere? Cheers...
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Mr Rose
May 5, 2017 14:29:25 GMT -5
Post by Joshua on May 5, 2017 14:29:25 GMT -5
And by the way... The wealth of information and the countless number of excellent posts on this forum is quite staggering. It feels like an honour reading through them....
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Mr Rose
May 6, 2017 19:09:03 GMT -5
Post by mjbrathwaite on May 6, 2017 19:09:03 GMT -5
The problem with the Louis Rose story is that it came third hand from William Zuber, who supposedly heard it from his mother, although he would have been in his mid teens and would presumably have known Rose if indeed he did escape and find refuge in the Zuber home. He didn't write it down until 1871, and in 1877 admitted under pressure he had made parts of it up, although he insisted the story came from Rose himself. Therefore, we don't really know how much truth there is in any of the story. You would probably find Bill Groneman's "Eyewitness to the Alamo" helpful.
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Mr Rose
May 8, 2017 15:40:02 GMT -5
Post by loucapitano on May 8, 2017 15:40:02 GMT -5
Other than the "Holy Trio" no person is more enigmatic than Louis (Moses) Rose. We may never know what, if any, of the stories about him are true. But he certainly fits into the Alamo Legend. Even skeptics like Jeff Long "Due of Eagles" couldn't resist the Zuber story and the heroic "line in the dust." As usual, Bill Groneman's work is masterful. Lou from Long Island
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Mr Rose
Jun 26, 2017 16:07:59 GMT -5
Post by stuart on Jun 26, 2017 16:07:59 GMT -5
Of course Louis Rose existed; he was the original Yellow Rose of Texas... [I'll leave quietly]
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Post by Joshua on Jul 4, 2017 4:11:58 GMT -5
lol
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