I have no problem that Rose existed. The guy in France was not "Rose" but rather "Roze. "
Well, that's good, but I think Rose and Roze are basically the same name when searching in old archives or on the internet. Roze is either the French or phonetic version of the other. Like Smith and Symth or Young and Yung.
Post by Allen Wiener on Jan 30, 2012 13:55:25 GMT -5
This is confusing. Given all the evidence, it's possible someone did get out of the Alamo alive. Beyond that, I don't think anything about this possibility is clear. The focus on someone named Rose may be misleading. Maybe Zuber's family met the survivor, maybe not; maybe they concocted the whole story or embellished whatever the survivor told them; maybe they made up the name Rose or young Zuber just got it wrong. Maybe, maybe, maybe. The only thing that does seem possible is that someone got out of there, possibly wounded, and lived to tell the tale; or not. If he did, who knows what (if any) tale he told. It doesn't look like this alleged person has anything to do with the Roze from France.
“I knew, even as a boy, that to love this world one must keep one’s distance” -- Bishop Daisy - "King of Hearts"
What about those other two guys that got out? The ones mentioned by Walter Lord in A Time To Stand, p. 208, and that Gary, bless him, found the actual article and gave it to us on p. 203 in Altar; they came into Nacogdoches and reported the Alamo had fallen, and this story was brought to the Little Rock Arkansas Gazette and published on March 29, a week before any other newspaper put out the word. One was badly wounded, the story says, but apparently not the other one.
Why didn't these guys write down their story, darn it!?!?
... merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative. -- "The Mikado"
As far as I understand it, Louis Rose took part in the battle for Bexar in December 1835. I hadn't realised that there was a doubt that he actually existed at all.... I thought it was generally accepted that he did? Anyhow, if he did exist and did take part in ousting Coz from Bexar, does anyone know his movements after this action? Did he simply stay in San Antonio until the arrival of Santa Anna? Or did he go elsewhere? Cheers...
Post by mjbrathwaite on May 6, 2017 19:09:03 GMT -5
The problem with the Louis Rose story is that it came third hand from William Zuber, who supposedly heard it from his mother, although he would have been in his mid teens and would presumably have known Rose if indeed he did escape and find refuge in the Zuber home. He didn't write it down until 1871, and in 1877 admitted under pressure he had made parts of it up, although he insisted the story came from Rose himself. Therefore, we don't really know how much truth there is in any of the story. You would probably find Bill Groneman's "Eyewitness to the Alamo" helpful.
Post by loucapitano on May 8, 2017 15:40:02 GMT -5
Other than the "Holy Trio" no person is more enigmatic than Louis (Moses) Rose. We may never know what, if any, of the stories about him are true. But he certainly fits into the Alamo Legend. Even skeptics like Jeff Long "Due of Eagles" couldn't resist the Zuber story and the heroic "line in the dust." As usual, Bill Groneman's work is masterful. Lou from Long Island