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Post by marklemon on Apr 8, 2010 17:14:38 GMT -5
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Post by Jim Boylston on Apr 8, 2010 18:11:00 GMT -5
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Post by marklemon on Apr 8, 2010 18:50:57 GMT -5
Apologies for being somewhat redundant. I missed the reference to Guinn's book in the "Crockett in Congress" thread.
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jerry
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Post by jerry on Apr 8, 2010 20:22:32 GMT -5
I read "Go Down Together" last year. It's excellent - recommended for anyone interested in 1930's motorized bandits.
Jerry
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Post by sloanrodgers on Apr 8, 2010 21:53:29 GMT -5
As I said in the thread link posted by Alamo54, I found a signed copy of Guinn's book at the Texas Book Fest last year. It's by far the best treatment on the modern-day outlaws, but I did find some flaws in the research that kind of bothered me at the time. Guinn's ambush scene seemed morbidly comical with ranger Frank Hamer running around Clyde's V8 like an amateur and firing into Bonnie with a rare FBI Colt Monitor machine gun after she was probably already dead. It is a pretty good book, but I think the author could have gotten into Clyde's head a little better and fleshed out his muderous motivations. He did a really good job with poor Bonnie.
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Post by sloanrodgers on Apr 10, 2010 2:57:54 GMT -5
I'm not trying to defend Hamer's actions because he was a former ranger, but protect the truth of this deadly event. Mr. Guinn and his source say that Hamer fired the Monitor at Bonnie outside the passenger side of the vehicle. It's stated in Bonnie's autopsy that most of her entry wounds were on the leftside of her body. There were wounds on her legs that may have appeared to be entries. I'm not sure how they can be since I cannot see corresponding entry holes in the passenger door from the crime scene pics. There is something a bit fishy about Guinn's ambush tale, but I wasn't there and I'm not a ballistics expert.
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Post by marklemon on Apr 10, 2010 10:29:17 GMT -5
I have studied the "death car" photos quite a bit, and cannot find any entry holes on the passenger door. There are a number of points on the passenger side door where the rounds that passed through the driver's door had impacted from the inside, dented it, but failed to penetrate, but no entry holes that I could see. There were about 11 to 12 holes through the passenger side of the front windshield, which may account for the shots fired supposedly from that side. That part of the windshield has now been removed, leaving only a fragment of the driver's side glass. Of course, by the time Hamer could have walked around to the passenger side, the door glass would have been shattered, and he could have fired through the open window, but as you said, the entry wounds on Parker's body don't bear that out.
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Post by sloanrodgers on Apr 11, 2010 4:23:25 GMT -5
Guinn seems to have dismissed all of the contemporary testimony of the ambush participants and physical proof in favor of gangster memorabilia collecter Sandy Jones' reenactment evidence of the shooting. They think that Hamer fired through the window with the Monitor (really just a commercial BAR), although they don't supply any source for this opinion. I've seen a few bad pics of the car's passenger side, but as you said, no entry holes in the vehicle and no holes in Bonnie around the window area to make the Guinn and Jones scenario plausible. The ambush is becoming more and more confusing as time rambles on. Here's an interesting Death Car website. texashideout.tripod.com/warrencar.html
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