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Post by Herb on Jan 24, 2008 17:50:35 GMT -5
The apse is an interesting possibility, that most of us overlook, because it doesn't provide a "gate", but it really wasn't much of a jump the way the walls had been lowered.
It seems almost certain that at least a couple of defenders tried it. What with the tales of "Dickinson" leaping with his child, and Mrs. Dickinson's account of the quartermaster Melton, being killed outside the walls (of course she might have simply recognised his body as she was moved back to Bexar, instead of witnessing his exit).
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Post by marklemon on Jan 24, 2008 22:50:58 GMT -5
Thant's a good, perceptive theory, Rich. I'd bet a buck or two that at least one or two guys fled through the small archway in the southern transept, depending of course on how much of it was blocked up. mark
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Post by Jim Boylston on Mar 18, 2008 9:26:35 GMT -5
This morning I was reading the San Luis Potosi logbook entries and found a translation in the Fall 1998 issue of the Journal of the ABA. I found this statement, not included in Hansen, under the March 6 entry:
The following formations that participated in the assault: Permanent Battalions-Zapadores, Aldama, Matamoros, Jimenez; Active Battalions-Toluca and San Luis. The Dolores Regiment, presidiales and piquetes of the Tampico and Veracruz Regiments were commanded by General Ramirez [y Sesma] and were deployed through the campaign to pursue those who were routed, sixty eight of which they killed. Translated by David MacDonald, edited by Kevin Young. Emphasis mine.
Somehow, I'd missed this before. I wonder why Hansen chose to omit it. Jim
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Post by TRK on Mar 18, 2008 9:53:46 GMT -5
The Dolores Regiment, presidiales and piquetes of the Tampico and Veracruz Regiments were commanded by General Ramirez [y Sesma] and were deployed through the campaign to pursue those who were routed, sixty eight of which they killed. [/i][/quote] Dimbo allowed me access to his copy of the manuscript SL logbook, and I have a slightly different take on that passage: "...the Dolores Regiment, Presidiales, and pickets of the Tampico and Veracruz Regiments under the command of General Ramírez, who were keeping watch for hunting down stragglers spread out through the fields in order to pursue the dispersed [ se estendieron por la campaña para perseguir los dispersos], of which they killed 68." The word campaña can mean "campaign," but Spanish dictionaries of the late 18th and early-to-mid-19th centuries also defined it as level country, flat fields, open plain, etc. So, I'm interpreting the SL log as saying Ramírez y Sesma was making these particular deployments on the fields around the Alamo, not throughout the campaign.
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Post by richard on Oct 17, 2011 6:21:49 GMT -5
Just a thought, but say if approx 60 men tried to break out of of a total of say 250 (70 still in the hospital ), by the time the mexicans were inside the plaza there would be few still alive to do any fighting and it must have been over very quickly by then, also one other point that I would like views on, if again say 60 were killied out side the Alamo, may be they were not treated the same way as the others who died in the Alamo, in other words burned on the fires, may be just may be they were just left there for nature to take care of them, and again may be thats how Henry Warnell got away, just a thought !!!!
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