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Post by stuart on Nov 16, 2009 2:09:17 GMT -5
Paul, that sounds like the film I watched - the sight of the target from that position was indeed as clear and steady as you could ask for, unlike the others - and whether they got Mrs Kennedy's head in the right place (and it looked to me like they did) or not, the forensics also don't support a grassy knoll shot.
As I said there are probably still a lot of unanswered questions to chew over, I'm just surprised that such a basic investigation as this one has never been carried out before.
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Post by Herb on Nov 16, 2009 12:58:04 GMT -5
As I said there are probably still a lot of unanswered questions to chew over, I'm just surprised that such a basic investigation as this one has never been carried out before. Actually there was a book published about 93 that did called Case Closed. It did it from just the opposite perspective by tracing cones of fire from the point of impact to possible firing positions - the only place they intersected was the book depository. It was also one of the rare books to publish a picture taken of the book depository immediatedly after the shots were fired. Every person that had been looking at the motorcade from the fifth floor window was looking up at the window right over their head. As Paul says, if you go to the Sixth floor Museum, it's amazing how close a shot it was - it's almost unbelievable that Oswald managed to miss with one of his rounds. As Allen comments, if the govt was involved in a conspiracy of any kind, it would be the first time in its history that it managed to keep anything covered up. To me the only conspiracy that makes any kind of sense at all, is that it was possibly a mob hit. But, even then Oswald was the lone gunman.
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Post by Paul Sylvain on Nov 16, 2009 14:39:09 GMT -5
Exactly right about Oswald as the lone gunman. It's easy to get lured into some of the other multi-shooter theories, but the evidence and tests conducted then and now, even using the most high-tech gadgetry, doesn't bear it out. The show I saw was actually on Discover. Titled JFK: Inside the Target Car, the show was related to evidence the car contained, and they went a lot into splatter and stuff inside the car. Here's a link to the show from last year: dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/13/jfk-forensics-tech.htmlIt sounds like you might have seen the documentary I saw them filming summer of last year. Paul
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Post by TRK on Nov 16, 2009 15:42:16 GMT -5
Go to youtube and search for "JFK: Inside the Target Car," and you can view the program in installments.
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Post by marklemon on Nov 16, 2009 18:56:23 GMT -5
The House Committee found quite a few links between the Mafia in New Orleans, and others who were known associates of Oswald. This is circumstantial evidence, but evidence nonetheless. It is also established that the mafia had links to elements of the CIA, who were running the anti-Castro operation named Operation Mongoose. It is entirely possible that some members of that operation had a hand in recruiting Oswald under pretext of being leftists. Their real agenda would have been to set up Oswald (with his documented links to Cuba) for killing JFK, and have it seen as a Cuban run assassination. This would have, in theory, likely led to a military invasion of Cuba, thereby fulfilling Mongoose's objective, and making it look like the whole thing was a response to the Cuban-backed JFK hit.
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Post by Paul Sylvain on Nov 22, 2009 13:36:39 GMT -5
Well, Stuart, I'm of a mind there were two shooters involved with the events in Dallas that weekend in 1963. Oswald ... and a few days later, Ruby. I don't think Ruby acted without some direction from elsewhere to take Oswald out. The bigger question is who and why would someone want Oswald silenced if there wasn't some kind of conspiracy involved in the killing of JFK. That said, I used to believe there had to me multiple shooters on the Plaza on Nov. 22. But as more time has passed, and more research is conducted, I've come to accept the single shooter theory. Given the angles, slow-moving vehicles, and Oswald's apparent abilities as a marksman, it wouldn't have been a difficult shot from the sixth floor. Standing on the Plaza today, that tree has had another 46 years of growth, so it tends to obscure the view a bit. But that was not the case in '63. I was in the depository last year on a Sunday morning when a museum worker had me and my wife step over to the window next to the sniper's nest. Below, Dallas police had blocked off the streets so an A&E film crew could shoot video of a Presidential limo and actors playing JFK, Jackie, the governor turning onto Houston and then making the hairpin turn in front of the building. It was pretty eerie seeing a view almost identical to Oswald's, just one window down. With the car rolling towards the building, the target hardly moves -- appears pretty stationary. Even after it passes te building heading towards the Grassy Knoll and underpass, it was so slow, and movement was minimal. You could line up on and stay on the target without much movement or lead time. Kennedy was pretty much a dead man, and clearly, Oswald was the shooter. I do believe there were others involved, be they Communist/Cuban or the Mob, or perhaps both. But were there more than one shooter on the Plaza that day? I don't think so. Paul Hard to believe it's been 46 years since "that day" in Dallas. Where does the time go? Here are some photos I took last year of the car, actors and so on, involved with the documentary. Inside the "Presidential limo" The "Presidential limo" along with actors and crew, behind the "Grassy Knoll" Filming a gun expert with a rifle and scope similar to what Oswald used on Nov. 22, 1963 The tree was a lot smaller in 1963, and Oswald would have had an easy shot from the window to the street below below The "sniper's nest" with the open window and boxes piled to hide Oswald. "Jackie" (right) and the"Governor's" wife "JFK" (left) and the "Governor" Enjoy.
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Post by jesswald on Nov 23, 2009 17:42:34 GMT -5
There's something poignant and unfortunate about Crockett's "hell/Texas" quotation juxtaposed underneath the photographs of the documentary. Similarly, one of the last things said to JFK, I think, was a comment about how the people of Texas loved him. Sounds ominously like Crockett's "I am among friends." Jesse Waldinger
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Post by Paul Sylvain on Nov 24, 2009 14:58:11 GMT -5
I hadn't thought about it, but you're right.
Paul
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