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Post by sloanrodgers on Dec 17, 2009 4:07:15 GMT -5
Very true. I trust that my cannon ball was dug up in San Antonio, but it has no story beyond that. The excavator could have embellished his story, but he had too much integrity for that. Looking at my 9 pdr again it may not be iron. It has large dipples and small dents with a round flattened out pontil mark. Colorwise, the ball is black with a greenish patina in areas.
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Post by mexicanjoe on Mar 21, 2010 21:00:12 GMT -5
Bruce, I am very impressed with your Quartel overlay - thank you and thank you for the history discussion. Could you do an overlay of your Oct. 27th 2007 aerial view with the Quartel?
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Post by edward on Oct 30, 2013 13:24:27 GMT -5
Where there 2 Quartels in La Villita? The one I am familiar with is the one on the same block as the Earthworks dig. The 'dig' was on the Arciniega lot and when the land was granted to Gregorio Arciniega, the barracks of the militia was noted by Gregorio as being to the west of the land he requested on the same block.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Oct 30, 2013 15:32:16 GMT -5
I'm not up on this detail particularly, but I seem to recall that the find you are referring to was later deemed to be a stable from the same period or some such thing. Wish Bruce were still here to explain. Anybody?
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Post by edward on Oct 30, 2013 20:28:28 GMT -5
The Quartel mentioned earlier (2009) in this thread and is shown being between E. Nueva and Villita streets is the one I am interested in. I have marked the area in question in my layout of the Quartel with a red outline and an X. Does anyone have supporting documentation for the location noted in red?
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Post by edward on Dec 3, 2013 23:41:16 GMT -5
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Post by edward on Dec 16, 2013 15:11:10 GMT -5
Stable remains
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Post by edward on Jun 2, 2014 11:11:09 GMT -5
My Prelim Layout of Bejar. I omitted the Cottonwood trees to show the funeral Pyres locations. The ID letters are based on Nelson’s Key but I just show the ones that I have that are not exactly the same.
T: Military Entrenchment or Cellar?
Jose Miguel Arciniega lived on the south side of Nueva Street bounded by Alamo street to the east. Consequently, Nueva Street was sometimes referred to as Arciniega Street. The street that was to become Arciniega Street was one block south of Nueva and was even noted as the 'Street one block south of Nueva Street' in an 1848 deed signed by Miguel Arciniega. To add to the confusion a survey done by Giraud, in 1848, Nueva Street is labeled as Arciniega Street. Miguel Arciniega mortgaged his residence and 21 town lots to the Riddles in 1841. The Riddles foreclosed on Miguel's properties and after much litigation took possession of Miguel's properties. The Fairmount Hotel now sits on what was once the residence of Miguel Arciniega.
In Mar of 1836, Maria de Jesus Delgado was a nine year old child. Her Grandfather Clemente Delgado owned the block that is now referred to as Maverick Square in La Villita which was bounded on the south by Nueva Street and on the north Villita Street, east Alamo Street and west by what would be called Womble Alley. The lot was divided into 4 sub lots running N-S when he died in 1833. Her father inherited the west lot. In an interview for the Newspaper, Maria de Jesus Delgado Buquor (at age 81) stated about the 1836 Battle, that her family sought refuge at the old Arciniega home and they were forced to dig and seek refuge in a cellar where they were safe from the bullets which swept the streets of the city at the moments of attack.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Jun 2, 2014 23:11:01 GMT -5
Fantastic, Edward! You have indeed reassembled a moment in history -- two moments, if we consider poor Maria digging in the floor to avoid bullets from 600 yards away!
I notice that you have the McMullen house in place, but what about the house of Ambrosio Rodriguez. Wasn't it directly across Presa on the other corner? And your jacal S.E. of the Alamo Church where the later stone house was in the Lungkwitz painting of Crockett Street -- was that there in 1836?
Super job on the model.
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Post by edward on Jun 3, 2014 17:32:59 GMT -5
Fantastic, Edward! You have indeed reassembled a moment in history -- two moments, if we consider poor Maria digging in the floor to avoid bullets from 600 yards away! I notice that you have the McMullen house in place, but what about the house of Ambrosio Rodriguez. Wasn't it directly across Presa on the other corner? And your jacal S.E. of the Alamo Church where the later stone house was in the Lungkwitz painting of Crockett Street -- was that there in 1836? Super job on the model. Thanks Rich. I still have not added any nice details as you have. I like those details!
The Rodriguez 2 story home was roughly 500 ft west of the McMullen house. At one time there was nothing between the houses except for brush. The Rodriguez property, including the two story house, was sold in 1882 to Oppenheimer. The ‘jacal’ was one of a few that I added to experiment mimicking the Lungkwitz painting you mentioned. I just overlooked 'turning off' this structure. There are a few more structures scattered about that are from a different time frame or different experiments. I will eventually group them into the proper time frames.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Jun 4, 2014 0:40:40 GMT -5
Thanks. I like those details too -- the ability on the part of the viewer to literally get down on the street and look around at true perspectives and as close to accurate as possible. But you are illustrating literal deed records, plats, and the like, and placing them on the model without all the fluff. I'll bet your file isn't 149 MB's for the town and 155 just for the Alamo! I have a stand-in Alamo on my Bexar model. I'd crash the program if I tried to copy-paste them together! I think it is also very cool that we are nailing the same things (or pretty dern close) from different sources. And don't worry, I didn't miss that little freight wagon you placed in the cuartel. What is really mind-boggling is that Richard G. Santos had most of the general details down in 1963 when he did his map "San Antonio de Bexar, 1 de Enero, 1836," and it's taken us this long to catch up to him. Of course he was the archivist, so he didn't have to wait for the internet. He had the stuff.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Jun 4, 2014 0:50:56 GMT -5
Here is basically the same "after Nelson" angle from mine. Had to disengage the surface texture feature in order to capture these big angles without crashing the program. Since this picture, I have also just added Laredito, which only increased the weight by one MB. I'll post a few.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Jun 4, 2014 1:18:19 GMT -5
These houses on Laredo Street are all just arbitrarily placed and not from any deeds. My main effort was to illustrate the concept that they were most likely built along the west side of the road with an acequia behind them. It could easily have drawn from the creek beyond Campo Santo and emptied back into it south of town. It certainly appears as if the road itself is bending around with that contour. I'm hoping to find at least one deed that says (as de la Teja avers) that a lot had an acequia as its western boundary here. I have placed my acequia (only 4 feet wide) 200 yards behind and parallel with the Laredo Road. It crosses the eastern face of the Campo Santo perhaps fifty feet out from the fence. Purely conjecture based on the map. In creating houses, I mixed adobes and jacales and only then saw de la Teja's mention of the fact that the street was also known as Calle de los Adovitos. So I went back and sprinkled some more adobe structures in the line. lol. And here's a bonus. I've been planting trees around San Pedro Springs. I plan on going swimming there in a few weeks, and, if the trees multiply quickly, perhaps I won't get as sunburned as I did last year. Attachments:
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Post by edward on Jun 4, 2014 21:12:47 GMT -5
These houses on Laredo Street are all just arbitrarily placed and not from any deeds. My main effort was to illustrate the concept that they were most likely built along the west side of the road with an acequia behind them. It could easily have drawn from the creek beyond Campo Santo and emptied back into it south of town. It certainly appears as if the road itself is bending around with that contour. I'm hoping to find at least one deed that says (as de la Teja avers) that a lot had an acequia as its western boundary here. I have placed my acequia (only 4 feet wide) 200 yards behind and parallel with the Laredo Road. It crosses the eastern face of the Campo Santo perhaps fifty feet out from the fence. Purely conjecture based on the map. In creating houses, I mixed adobes and jacales and only then saw de la Teja's mention of the fact that the street was also known as Calle de los Adovitos. So I went back and sprinkled some more adobe structures in the line. lol. And here's a bonus. I've been planting trees around San Pedro Springs. I plan on going swimming there in a few weeks, and, if the trees multiply quickly, perhaps I won't get as sunburned as I did last year. On the south side of the Potrero, you have a large structure bounded on the south by the SA River, what is that?
Acequia conjecture based on what map?
Those adobe and jacales make a nice picture.
OK, I do not want to see any details of your swim. LOL
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Post by Rich Curilla on Jun 5, 2014 0:18:54 GMT -5
The acequia in Laredito is based on the conjectural map by Caroline Castillo Crimm (conjectural where this feature is concerned) of the urban expansion from 1718 to 1800 on page 37 of Jesus de la Teja's San Antonio de Bexar, University of New Mexico Press, 1995. On page 39, de la Teja says: "Until the 1760's only a handful of residents made up what came to be known as the Barrio de Laredo, but then occupation of the area began in earnest. Between 1761 and 1778 more than thirty grants were made west of San Pedro Creek. Although some lots were north of the presidio, most were located on either side of the Laredo Road (hence the neighborhood's name) leading south out of town. Besides the road's presence, the neighborhood may have grown in that direction because of the presence of an acequia. "The neighborhood's early residents dug at least a rudimentary ditch, for by the early 1770's the grants mention whether or not lots were irrigated. Diego Irineo Henriquez's sale of land to Juan Jose Cordova in 1791 describes the western boundary of a twenty-vara parcel as 'the ditch that irrigates said lands.' The acequia's importance in determining the direction of settlement is discernible in the fact that Pedro Minon's petition for land somewhat north of the other west-bank residents stated that the lot had no irrigation." For references, he gives (1) "Venta de tierra por Diego Irineo Henriguez a favor de Juan Jose Cordova," 12 May, 1791, Land Grants, Bexar County Spanish Archives, and (2) "Donacion de un solar a favor de Pedro Minon," 10 June, 1769, Land Grants, also BCSA.
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