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Post by tradingdaddy on Feb 26, 2015 8:06:21 GMT -5
If Bowie was well enough to send out his rep to parlay with Santa Anna's rep at the bridge, when exactly did his health fail so drastically to become bed ridden and a virtual invalid by March 4-6?
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Post by Rich Curilla on Feb 26, 2015 14:26:38 GMT -5
Bowie totally collapsed on February 24th., turning the complete command over to Lt. Col. Travis.
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Post by Herb on Feb 26, 2015 17:44:20 GMT -5
Some will argue that Bowie's shaky signature on the parley letter of the 23rd is evidence that he was already seriously sick. But, as Rich says he became bedridden on the 24th. The only thing absolutely certain about his condition after that, is the Mexicans found him in bed on March 6th.
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Post by loucapitano on Feb 26, 2015 18:19:17 GMT -5
I don't think there has been any firm conclusion of the nature of Bowie's sickness. Typhus, pneumonia and other similar ailments have been suggested. Some of these types of ailments had a two week incubation period which meant it would be fatal or one might recover. I suggest that Bowie may have been past the delirium stage of his sickness on March 4th. Therefore, he might have been conscious enough to make a last stand with his two pistols and knife in hand. It's pure dramatic speculation on my part, but it may keep the conversation going. Lou from Long Island
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Post by Rich Curilla on Feb 26, 2015 20:28:59 GMT -5
Ha! Capitano's lookin' for a fight!
Actually, it never occurred to me that his fever might have broken. It's an interesting possibility. But then we have a harder time explaining why one or two Mexican eye-witnesses said he died in bed almost hidden by covers.
We do have some pretty clear accounts of his condition after his collapse -- from Mrs. Dickinson and particularly from Juana Navarro Alsbury.
We each have our mind's-eye concept of how he died. Mine -- before JLH's movie -- was that he was almost gone already but that the adrenalin hit at the last moment and he rallied as much as possible. I saw the scene in the movie and said, "Yesssssss! Exactly."
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Post by stuart on Mar 1, 2015 8:32:47 GMT -5
Don't remember exactly when, but I posted an article in the Alamo Journal a few years back on Bowie's condition comparing it with other near contemporary accounts and memoires of people suffering from typhoid pneumonia and the surprising conclusion was that although the condition was often fatal, if he lasted as long as he did he would indeed have been on the mend by March 6 - not running and leaping about of course and still confined to his bed, but definitely not dying.
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Post by ronald on Mar 1, 2015 12:36:44 GMT -5
I think it is enough to belive he at least used his pistols as they came in. I also think that every 20 years or so somebody comes up with something that changes the way we look at things. It seems as though we dig deeper some of the first accounts seem more real?
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Post by Rich Curilla on Mar 1, 2015 14:46:07 GMT -5
I like to call it research. LOL. Seriously, due to the last 50 plus years of closer attention (mostly stimulated by the Alamo movies), historians and researchers have discovered new primary documents and sources -- and have begun to trust some sources that were ignored before. The approach is far more objective than it was in the mid-20th. century. This, of course, ruffles feathers of those who insist it is as the Myth and Legend of the Alamo said it was, but that is not as fair to the memory of those who died there as it would be to find out how they really thought and felt, and what really happened. Honor them, not the particular myth that we need at a given time. Love the myth of the Alamo and love the historical revelations. We need both. Just don't confuse the two.
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Post by valerobowie on Mar 4, 2015 21:44:32 GMT -5
This may be a change of subject but i am a big fan of the 2004 movie and except for the church being to far forward,i did not like the fact that Bowie was not able to make it to his famous knife. As far as i know in every other movie he did so why the change,was there a particular reason for this?
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Post by mjbrathwaite on Mar 5, 2015 0:29:38 GMT -5
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Post by ronald on Mar 5, 2015 13:22:08 GMT -5
After reading the 2013 thread I wish one of you guys would write a book about Bowie. You already have a good bit of material ..Also would the letters from the lady be enough for at least a short story about her time there in the 1960s
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