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Post by jamesg on Mar 31, 2012 14:01:25 GMT -5
Everybody follows the battles of the Texas Revolution and the Republic of Texas but there was more going on with Mexico and Texas...a Covert War by Mexico to Rouse the Indians against the Texian Population.
During The Revolution Eusebio de Cortinez was behind the lines trying to Rouse the Indian Tribes against the Texians and even Arm the Indians.
There is documentation out there to follow this insurgency attempts.
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Post by Allen Wiener on Mar 31, 2012 17:54:36 GMT -5
Maybe related to Houston's own visit with Indians seeking to keep them out of things.
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Post by jamesg on Mar 31, 2012 22:18:42 GMT -5
Deposition of Miguel de Cortinez
No.6
Natchtoches, April 12, 1836
I, Miguel de Cortinez, testify as follows; In the month of Febuary last, I understand my Brother,
Eusebio de Cortinez, was amongst the Cherokee Indians, a tribe living about 25miles northwest of Nacogdoches. I repaired to that place, where I found him; and he informed me that he held a commission from General (Martin Perfecto de) Cos to raise the Indians against the Texians; That he intended to attack and set fire to Nacogdoches, and wished me to co-operate with him. I offered him $2,000 to de-sist from the undertaking, which he refused. Bowels the Cherokee Chief, observing thatif I doubted my Brothers having received the commission, he could produce it. I declined looking at it, being very angry with my Brother for the part he had taken, and returned to Nacgodoches. While I was amongst the Cherokees, Bowles showed me his commission from the Mexican Goverment making him a Lt Col., His pay to commence so soon as he and his tribe should take up arms against the Texians. I also asked Bowles if he would join my Brother against the Texians; He said yes, and fight whille a man in his tribe remained.
My Object to coming to Natchitoches, at present time, to ascertain if two men Manuel Flores and Medrano, were here, or were here, or where they are; as they are supposed to be engaged raising
the Indians against Texas. All I can learn from them is, they left about a month since, and no one knows where they went.
The above is, in substance, what Miguel de Cortinez communicated to General (Edumund P ) Gaines, through me as interpreter, this day.
Nathaniel Amory Jr.
source McLeans Papers concerning Robertsons' Colony in Texas Vol XIV Page 188
My comments: Yes This would have been a Concern to Nacogdoches who raised a Ranger unit and Gen. Sam Houston mentioning it in his dispatches.
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Post by jamesg on Apr 1, 2012 11:47:36 GMT -5
a edited passage... from Lt Bonnel U.S. Army was in Nacogdoches Texas, when on the morning of 19 July 1836, when a an Indian of the Shawnee tribe named "Spy Buck" came in and made a report before the Committee of Vigilance and Safety.... He brought Information that the Comanches, Tawakonis. Towash, and Kichaias, had all made peace with each other and combined against the whites., and had killed 9 white men..... He also added that after the fall of the Alamo. The Mexicans had give the Comanche a great many good guns and ammunition.... This report was fully believed in Nacogdoches , sinceSpy Buck was well known for his integrity, and was the brother of the Chief of Shawnees.
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Post by jamesg on Apr 1, 2012 12:03:17 GMT -5
Feb 23 1836 The Cherokee Nation Created as a Result Of Sam Houston and Col. John Forbes Treaty early 1836....
Personal Comment: For Me The Indians were happy to take the Gifts of both sides and sided with who ever Won.
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Post by jamesg on Apr 1, 2012 12:21:23 GMT -5
a question: The Up surge of Indian attacks greatly increased in 1836 and in the later years, I wonder how much was influenced by Mexican Insurgents??? There is certainly enough documental evidence
and the 1837 Cordova Rebellion testifies as well.
Having said that I know the Indians played both sides against one another probably hoping the Mexicans and Americans would kill each off and Texas could be Indian land (again). Truely This was a period of a clash of cultures.
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Post by Allen Wiener on Apr 1, 2012 12:43:44 GMT -5
Some background on Bowles. Also, I'm not sure about the time periods, but most tribes in the area were as afraid of the Comanche as white settlers were. They might have welcomed any ally. One of the major reasons why Mexico welcomed American immigrants (at first) was their desire to colonize Texas and form a barrier between the Comanche and themselves. www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/2_01/2_28_01/mountain_voices_carden.shtml |
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Post by Allen Wiener on Apr 1, 2012 13:01:43 GMT -5
According to this website (ignoring, for a moment, the screwy dates), a treaty was signed with the Cherokee by later thrown out by the Texas Republic: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Cherokee_removal23 February 1836 – Treaty of Bowles Village with the Republic of Texas, granting nearly 1,000,000 acres (4,000 km2) of east Texas land to the Texas Cherokees and twelve associated tribes. 2 March 1836 – The Republic of Texas declares its independence from Mexico as the Mexican army under President-General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna began waging a war of retribution. Sam Houston, President of the Provisional Government, and later Republic, of Texas signs a treaty with the Texas Cherokee guaranteeing them their lands, but the treaty was rejected by the Texas Senate the next year. |
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Post by jamesg on Apr 3, 2012 1:38:13 GMT -5
On July 23 1836 a Thomas Toby and Brother wrote President Burnet that a delegation of six or seven Chiefs representing Cherokees and other tribes, had arrived in Matamoros Mexico on 1 July with their Interpreters to hold several private meetings with General Domingo de Ugartechea, and at a camp the Rio Grande. The Party included about 30 to 40 Indians who were to be used as Runners, and it was the plan of General Jose de Urrea, The Commander in Chief, to join Mexican Forces with Indians against the Texians, and commissary orders to purchase from 800 to 1,000 Horses for the Cavalry. The Indians had been promised land and cattle if they would help with the extermination of Texians.. This letter later showed up in "The New Orleans Bulletin "Newspaper
Source: McLeans Paper's Volume XV page 105
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Post by jamesg on Apr 3, 2012 1:52:07 GMT -5
Aug 15th 1836 Col Robert Morris Coleman formed a Ranger battalion and moved to the Frontier and established Fort Colorado.
and In Sept 1836 Sam Houston authorized Major James Smith to form a Ranger Battalion
(3 Companies) for East Texas and establish Fort Houston close to the Cherokee nation.
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Post by jamesg on Apr 5, 2012 0:17:13 GMT -5
Private Instructions for the Captains of friendly Indians of Texas, by his Excellency
the General and Chief Vicentte Filiasola May 29 1838
As soon as you arrive, you will invite them to a meeting, and propose to them that they and their friends should take up arms in defense of the integrity of Mexican territory in Texas; this meeting being only composed of principle Chiefs who govern them. Afterwards, you will invite eight or ten of each tribes to smoke the pipe, and , in the name of the Supreme Government of Mexico, distribute amongst them, powder, lead and tobacco, in the usual manner; this being done, you will keep an account of your operations and inform me officially of the same. You will make them understand that soon as they take up arms, they will be rewarded according to their merits; and that so soon as they have taken possession of places I have mentioned to you, you will advise me by an extraordinary courier, giving me a detailed account of the strength of the Mexican force, and the Indian tribes, with the plan of attack, that I may be able to direct forces that are to leave from this place to the assistance of those who are to operate in that quarter. Make them understand that soon as the campaign is over they will be able to proceed to Mexico; to pay their respects to the Supreme Government, who will send a commissioner to give each possession of land they are entitled to.
Source: McLeans Papers Concerning Robertsons Colony in Texas Vol.XVI page 544
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Post by jamesg on Apr 13, 2012 23:43:20 GMT -5
To Manuel Flores July 19th, 1838
Sir
I hold a commission from Vincente Filisola to raise the Indians as Auxiliaries to the National Army, I have already entered upon my duties by inviting a meeting of the neighboring tribes, and being, informed that you appointed for the same purpose. I would be glad to know what preliminary arrangements you have made towards the objects contemplated; and I hope you will make every effort to approach with such force as you may have in your command as far as you judge proper, and that you will make all effort to hold with me a verbal communication in order that we may in our respective stations a understanding, that will bring the PIPE which I understand you are in possession of, in order that the Chiefs may smoke it of the Cherokee, and other tribes, who have promised to unite as soon as possible for action, and who have agreed that in case our plans should be discovered, in the mean time, they then will commence operations, with what force we have at command, and its highly desirable that you should approach to gives in such case a helping hand.
We have heard here that the troops have commenced operations in La Bahia but do not know whether it is true.
I desire that we should treat with each other in full confidence, Which is necessary to success of our Commission.
I will say no more at present than that you may act in full confidence of your friend.
that S.M.B.
Vincenti Cordova
Source McLeans Papers Concerning Robertsons Colony in Texas, Vol XVI Page 572
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Post by jamesg on May 4, 2012 0:47:54 GMT -5
Vincente Cordova was from Nacogdoches Tx and during the Revolution was for the return of the Constitution of 1824 but not for Independence from Mexico.
When he came back from Mexico with The authorization to organize a rebellion in June 1838 he had with him 34 Mexican soliders, 20 Cherokee and Cado Indians, some disgruntiled Tejanos, runaway Slaves and the anglo Norris brothers.
He would join up with Julian Pedro Mircle on the 19 of June.... Mircle had already started his covert action by killing two Irishmen and a woman and her Children on the 17th of June.
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