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Post by Allen Wiener on Mar 20, 2011 7:58:24 GMT -5
That's it, Paul. In that sense, they'd all "crossed the line" well before Travis might have drawn one.
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Post by Kevin Young on Mar 20, 2011 11:42:35 GMT -5
well, the number of Mexican dead before Bowie's cot seem to have gotten bigger over the years... ;D
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Post by Paul Sylvain on Mar 20, 2011 11:50:53 GMT -5
well, the number of Mexican dead before Bowie's cot seem to have gotten bigger over the years... ;D "It do." Time and legend do seem to have that affect.
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Post by Allen Wiener on Mar 20, 2011 12:30:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the state of knowledge is on Bowie's demise, but I thought that Davis made about as good a guess as anyone else to this point in "Three Roads." However, there is a theory that, whatever Bowie's illness was, he may actually have been improving a bit by March 6. Among the many frustrations in studying the Alamo is the scarce amount of detail from the survivors. Beyond commenting that "Col. Bowie was sick," I get nothing.
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Post by stuart on Mar 20, 2011 13:27:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the state of knowledge is on Bowie's demise, but I thought that Davis made about as good a guess as anyone else to this point in "Three Roads." However, there is a theory that, whatever Bowie's illness was, he may actually have been improving a bit by March 6. Among the many frustrations in studying the Alamo is the scarce amount of detail from the survivors. Beyond commenting that "Col. Bowie was sick," I get nothing. I refer to my article in the Alamo Journal a couple of years back: "What Ails You Jim?" While I wasn't there myself and therefore don't know how bad he was, based on my reading on Typhoid Pneumonia and surviving sufferers of it, if it hadn't killed him before March 6 it wasn't going to and he would most likely have been over the worst. Obviously not bouncing around bursting with rude good health, but definitely not dying/dead.
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Post by Allen Wiener on Mar 20, 2011 15:42:15 GMT -5
Stuart - sorry I forgot about your article (I'm not at home this week), but I'm sure that is where I got that info.
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Post by stuart on Mar 21, 2011 1:23:43 GMT -5
Stuart - sorry I forgot about your article (I'm not at home this week), but I'm sure that is where I got that info. Sic transit gloria...
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Post by Allen Wiener on Mar 21, 2011 8:04:34 GMT -5
So true, Stuart!
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Post by loucapitano on Mar 21, 2011 16:36:41 GMT -5
Bowie: Let them know it's Crockett their fighting. Crockett: They'll eat snakes before they get in here Jim. As Paul, Allen and the rest of you have said, Does it really matter? I feel they all passed into immortality on March 5th, when each man chose to stand.
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Post by mjbrathwaite on Mar 25, 2011 21:57:36 GMT -5
I agree that it doesn't matter how Bowie (or Crockett) died, but I still find the speculation fascinating, and since James Crisp told me about the Forum, I've found it an invaluable source of information and viewpoints. While the subject holds interest for many New Zealanders of my generation, books on it are scarce here, so I am not as well read on the Alamo as other forum members and feel able to contribute little, but would hate to see discussion on these topics stifled.
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Post by Jim Boylston on Mar 25, 2011 23:25:23 GMT -5
Hey, a lot of us thrive on hashing these topics out again and again. We're glad you're here, and don't be bashful about jumping in. The more the merrier!
Jim
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Post by Allen Wiener on Mar 26, 2011 9:17:19 GMT -5
I'm also glad to see you here. Feel free to jump in anywhere on the forum. Also, check Google Books for some Alamo and related material.
Allen
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Post by mjbrathwaite on Mar 26, 2011 18:38:38 GMT -5
Thanks Jim and Allen. I've got some of Bill Groneman and James Crisp's books, along with material James has emailed to me, and hope to be able to get more when I start making money again: much of our city was destroyed by an earthquake a month ago and it's largely wiped out my income. At least I've still got a house! Regarding Bowie's death, I tend to place more weight on Susanna Dickinson's account of him "murdered in his bed" and Joe's similar one than on Apolinaro Saldigna (or William Zuber's) or Juana Alsbury's accounts of his torture or Madam Candelaria's account of him dying in her arms. I haven't reached any conclusion about whether or not he managed to fire a gunshot before he died.
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Post by gtj222 on Mar 26, 2011 19:35:21 GMT -5
Mjbrathwaite, Remember Bowie was so sick he had to be confined to his bed. He probably had chills and fever and maybe a really hard time breathing. Chances are he was dead when the mexicans entered his room or was too weak to put up much of a fight. I would like to believe he fought to his last breath, but the man was really sick.
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Post by mjbrathwaite on Mar 26, 2011 19:57:36 GMT -5
Thanks gtj222, I think you're probably right, and wouldn't attempt to make a case for Bowie doing any fighting based on the available evidence. However, I'm intrigued by Allen and Stuart's posts about a theory that he may have started to recover, and would like to know more about that.
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