Re: Alamo Period Military terms « Reply #15 on Feb 6, 2008, 6:06pm »
The Spanish terms below are from a cavalry tactics manual, Reglamento para el ejercicio y maniobras de la Caballeria, Tomo I (Filadelfia [Philadelphia]: Se espende en México, en la Libreria de Galvan, Portal de Agustinos, 1836). The manual was originally published in Spain in 1824 but was reprinted in 1836 specifically for the Mexican market:
Anilla: scabbard ring Atacador: head of a ramrod Caja: gun stock Caña: shaft of a ramrod Cantonera: butt plate (heel plate) of a firearm Casco: helmet Cazoleta: fire pan of a flintlock Cimera: crest of a cavalry helmet Cola de Caballo: horse tail: specifically, as used to adorn certain cavalry helmets Crucetta: Iron crosspiece on the spearhead of a lance Culata: butt of a gun stock Empuñadura: Saber or sword hilt Gorra Cilíndrica de piel de oso: Cylindrical bearskin caps, as used by light cavalry Guarnicion: Saber or sword guard Moharra: Spearhead of a lance Pié de Gato: flintlock hammer Recámara: gun breech Regatón: Ferrule or base of a lance Suela: sole leather, specifically as used on line cavalry and dragoon helmets Tirantes: scabbard slings Trompetilla: opening in a gun stock for housing the ramrod
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Re: Alamo Period Military terms « Reply #17 on Mar 16, 2009, 8:48pm »
Quote:
Mexican federal government, Decree no. 419, Sept. 1, 1824 (quote:) "Arreglo de la tropa de caballería del ejército. Article 5 (quote): "La plana mayor de cada regimiento, en todos tiempos, constará de un coronel, un teniente coronel mayor, dos comandantes de escuadron, un primer ayudante capitan, dos ayudantes segundos, tenientes, un capellan, un cirujano, un mariscal, dos mancebos, un talabartero, un armero, un clarin mayor, un cabo, y ocho gastadores." [emphasis added]
If you have it, then sorry I brought i up, but would you like to see the 1834 Reglamento on the la plana mayor?
Re: Alamo Period Military terms « Reply #19 on Mar 17, 2009, 7:33am »
"ocho gastadores" would be right; in European armies the pioneers/sapeurs did not form a separate unit as such. Instead one or sometimes two men per company were permanently assigned as such and as the document quoted says, when the battalion was formed up in formal marching order they were included in the "tete de column" (excuse my poor French) along with the musicians and the colour party - they could sometimes serve as the escort for the colours depending on regimental policy
So anyway, with Mexican battalions mustering six fusilier and two preference conmpanies that's where we get the ocho gastadores - one from each company
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Re: Alamo Period Military terms « Reply #20 on Mar 17, 2009, 7:35am »
This looks like something that may have been inacted during one of the power struggles, but it seems close: The first section deals with make up of the battalion (eight companies including the granaderos and cazadores) and the second section with the structure of a company (there seems to be nothing new there) . There third section deals with the playa mayor del batalion.
Agusto 12 de 1824 Reglamento provisional para el regimen y govierno del battalion de Defesores de la constitution que va a formaise en esta capital
3. La plana mayor del batalion se compondra de un coronel, un teniente coronel, un primer ayudante, dos segudos ayudantes, dos sub ayudantes, un capillan, un ciujano, un armero, un tambor mayor, un cabo de tambores y pifanos, un cabo y ocho gastadores y doce musicos.
This is out of Recopilcion de Leves.
Now, here is some reality. From the Battalion Permenente Morelos, October 1835 monthly returns found in the Bexar Archives:
Re: Alamo Period Military terms « Reply #21 on Mar 17, 2009, 8:49am »
Interesting, but not in the least surprising.
As I said in my previous post, the gastadores didn't really belong to battalion HQ but were seconded to it from the individual companies.
The likeliest explanation for what was happening in the Morelos Battallon is not that the gastadores were dropping fast, but that as experienced soldiers they were being reclaimed by their parent companies to replace NCO casualties and then not replaced simply because the companies were themselves too depleted to be able to spare men to hang around looking decorative at battalion HQ
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