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Post by Rich Curilla on Oct 1, 2008 22:56:10 GMT -5
I have run across what I believe is new information for us. It is in the form of an additional Jameson paragraph after his key to his plat in the letter of January 18, 1836.
Below I am posting a copy of the e-mail I just sent Rick Range. He asked me to send him a description of the differences in the Jameson map key between George Nelson's book and John H. Jenkins' Papers of the Texas Revolution. It is rather lengthy, but I felt that a very specific description on my part was necessary.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Oct 1, 2008 22:57:47 GMT -5
Rick,
Got a chance to dig into the Jameson letter and map key of January 18, 1836, in my copy of Vol. 4 of Papers of the Texas Revolution by John H. Jenkins.
Our discussion on the phone was about the northeastern Indian quarters and their condition during the siege.
Jameson's key in George Nelson's book seems to have been taken directly from Amelia Williams' thesis. It differs in some important details from the key found in Adina de Zavala's History and Legends of the Alamo and Other Missions in and around San Antonio. This is the version Jenkins reprints in his book.
Additionally, while digging through my notebooks just now, I found my Xerox of the map key in an early 20th. century San Antonio newspaper (The Light or the Express) that actually has one more very revealing paragraph after the key.
First, the Amelia Williams version of the key (in Nelson and in the thesis) says for Letter H: "Soldiers' quarters built out of adobe houses and picketed all around as is B.W." There is no B.W. on the key. But in the plat included in Nelson (and not in the thesis manuscript that I have a copy of) it does show B.W. as the designation for "Breast Work" and as a label for the palisade. This, of course, allows one to assume that the houses themselves were of palisado or jacal construction. Since we now believe the breastwork to have been a single row of palisades, this conjecture is reinforced. This is the conclusion Mark came to for his model. Perfectly reasonable.
The version in Vol. 4 of Jenkins' Papers..., however, is from Adina de Zavala's book and includes the more sophistocated plat (as a fronticepiece) which she used (PLEASE, God, give us the original). This plat does not have B.W. as a label for the palisade, but rather the whole word "BREASTWORK." It has the complete set of houses (along the east wall and the east end of the north wall) designated as "H" rather than just the north wall houses, as in the plat in Nelson.
Here is how the key describes the letter "H" in the de Zavala version: "Soldiers quarters built up of doby houses and picketed all round as letter B."
Letter B, on the de Zavala's plat labels the redoubt inside the main gate. Jameson's key for the letter "B" in de Zavala says, "Temporary redoubts of stakes on end and rocks and dirt between, the long one is in front of the house in which Col. Mendoza now lies wounded."
Thus, for the houses, Jameson is saying in effect, "Soldiers' quarters built up of doby houses, and picketed all around with stakes on end and rocks and dirt between."
The additional paragraph in the newspaper printing of Jameson's key is after Letter Y (also ignored by Nelson) and is a personal addendum of Jameson's. It says, "I would recommend that the dobie houses, letter H, be torn down and stone houses to be erected in their stead. The stone can be obtained out of the old Church San Antonio, which is now a wreck or ruin of a once splendid church."
Thus, I truly believe these houses lining the inside of the stone east and north walls were of adobe brick and were protected by an outwork built of a double row of palisades filled with earth -- perhaps both inside and outside the fort.
At the moment, I can't tell you the exact date of the de Zavala based newspaper article with the additional paragraph in it (I just have my own Xerox copy in hand which I redesigned way back when to fit an 8x11 page -- and left off the masthead!), but I do have the original somewhere and am sure I can locate it.
Hope this helps lock in how these structures were built. I'm forwarding a copy of this to Mark Lemon and Craig Covner for their input and posting it on the studies forum. I don't have Jake Ivey's e-mail. Would somebody please forward it to him.
Best, Rich Curilla
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Post by Rich Curilla on Oct 1, 2008 23:59:03 GMT -5
I have run across what I believe is new information for us. It is in the form of an additional Jameson paragraph after his key to his plat in the letter of January 18, 1836. Below I am posting a copy of the e-mail I just sent Rick Range. He asked me to send him a description of the differences in the Jameson map key between George Nelson's book and John H. Jenkins' Papers of the Texas Revolution. It is rather lengthy, but I felt that a very specific description on my part was necessary. Oh well, so much for being original. I just double-checked Hansen and found that his presentation on Jameson's plat and key is very thourough -- and includes the addendum added by Jameson in my newspaper version -- and THEN SOME. Well, even though my illusions of grandeur have been thwarted by discovering that somebody discovered it first, my argument for adobe structures protected or surrounded by earth-packed palisades stands. It is, in fact, reinforced by the additional Jameson comments not in Nelson or Jenkins.
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Post by marklemon on Oct 2, 2008 0:56:40 GMT -5
Rich wrote:
Hope this helps lock in how these structures were built. I'm forwarding a copy of this to Mark Lemon and Craig Covner for their input and posting it on the studies forum. I don't have Jake Ivey's e-mail. Would somebody please forward it to him. Rich, Your theory sounds interesting. I am going to give it a thorough going over, and try to sketch out some possible configurations. My overall impression still is, however, that that stretch of houses was a mess, and nothing at all like the earlier, sterile-looking long neat row of stone structures that has been depicted often in the past. Mark
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Post by stuart on Oct 2, 2008 4:23:35 GMT -5
I've agreed all along that this range of buildings was a mess, which is why I've supported Rich's theory from the beginning, ie; that the "mess" of 'dobe buildings - whether jacales or not - was faced with a palisade to make it more defensible
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Post by Rich Curilla on Oct 2, 2008 17:57:18 GMT -5
Rich, My overall impression still is, however, that that stretch of houses was a mess, and nothing at all like the earlier, sterile-looking long neat row of stone structures that has been depicted often in the past. Mark I very much agree with this. I think a lot of that indelible image derived from the restored San Jose Mission Indian quarters and work shops. Right or wrong in that case (and I haven't a clue), they set the trend for Alamo imagery reproduced by Frederic Ray, Alfred Ybarra, and the artists for 13 Days to Glory and A Time to Stand. I think Gary Zaboly was the first to finally break the stereotype in Texian Illiad by making one of them of palisado construction. And now YOU! ;D Seriously, I think we are finally getting somewhere. Thank you.
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Post by marklemon on Oct 2, 2008 18:37:20 GMT -5
Rich, As you know, the weakest wall in any structure of adobe or brick is usually that with the most apertures. Therefore, the inner, or west-facing wall of these structures (long barracks extension) which had at least one window, and one door, were the weakest. As such they no doubt were the areas of greatest failure, and the area of each structure which required the most shoring up. I am visualizing the possible bracing (with one or two rows of "stakes on end")along the west-facing facades of these structures, as well as other areas here or there which had badly deteriorated. But I am not at all convinced that the proper interpretation of Jameson's words should be that there was a double row of dirt-filled stakes completely surrounding the entire perimeter of these houses. If you're going to go that much trouble, why not just knock over the weak crumbling adobe walls, and rebuild the structures as jacales, thereby saving on wood(ie: one row of palisade versus two)? I believe that the overwhelming makeup of these buildings was adobe, with palisade shoring up at various points. Mark
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Post by stuart on Oct 3, 2008 1:01:41 GMT -5
I dont't think we're talking about putting an outer skin of palisading, rocks and dirt right around the buildings, just the outer (east) face which formed part of the actual "fortress" perimeter. If you were talking down the former in earlier arguments then we were clearly talking at cross purposes.
There may well have been some bracing of the west-facing facade as you suggest, but Jameson's "picketed all round with stakes on end and dirt between" surely refers to the outer (east and north) facades rather than the whole structure.
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Post by marklemon on Oct 3, 2008 1:37:51 GMT -5
The maddening thing about this issue (as well as many other Alamo-related topics) is the non-specificity of descriptive terms. What, for example, does Jameson mean by picketed "all around?" All around "what?" All around the entire structure? Or all around only two or three sides of it ? It is a bit presumptuous of us to weigh in with certainty on this issue, unless and until we know more. In my book, I was forced, by the very nature of the book, to come down one way or the other (I couldn't very well have had an empty space there), and did so according to my best reasoning of the data that is available. I still am not convinced about this area. But I can say that, if only the outside (outside the wall) of this structure was reinforced by "pickets," then that certainly is not "all around," as "around" clearly implies turning a corner of some kind. If he had meant to be describing just an outer reinforcement, he would have, or should have said "all along (the outside)" In saying "dobe houses picketed all around..." he is clearly trying to describe something to us, but to me it doesn't sound like he means just outside the wall.
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Post by stuart on Oct 3, 2008 6:01:47 GMT -5
Well as Rich says it might be a whole lot easier if we had Jameson’s original plan, but we’ve just got to work with what we have, and the starting point for that has to be the clear statement that the ‘dobe houses were picketed "all around" with stakes and a fill of dirt and rubble.
That’s very clearly talking about a breastwork of some kind rather than simple shoring up of an unsound structure. It also makes sense in that he’s talking in the first place about hardening a defensive perimeter rather than routine building maintenance
What’s not so clear is what he meant by picketed “round”.
If we take it literally it would suggest that the houses were entirely encased by the breastwork, which I agree doesn’t make any sense at all unless it was the houses themselves that were then filled with dirt and rubble like the ones used to form gun positions on the NW and SW corners. From a military point of view that might have been a good idea, but I don’t think any of the other evidence supports it.
To my mind a far simpler interpretation is that he just meant round the outside in the sense of around the outer face of that part of the Alamo defensive perimeter, which included the north wall as well as the east wall of the building range.
In other words the walls of the stone convento buildings and church were judged sound enough, but the ‘dobe ones obviously weren’t and so the perimeter there needed some immediate remedial strengthening work.
I agree that the wording is maddeningly imprecise - I’m sure Jameson himself knew exactly what he meant – but of the two alternatives I’d suggest that the second makes more sense.
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Post by Mike Harris on Oct 3, 2008 16:19:11 GMT -5
Jameson also uses the term "around" when he refers to the aqueduct "as around the fortress". The aqueduct clearly encircles the entire fortress on the plat. So maybe when he says "around" he means "around" as we would interpret. Picketted all around couldn't possibly mean guards or pickets, could it? It's a stretch, but I thought I'd throw it out there. As I study the plat and index I somewhat doubt it, but... I guess without the original map or a dig, it would be pretty impossible to tell.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Oct 3, 2008 19:36:43 GMT -5
In other words the walls of the stone convento buildings and church were judged sound enough, but the ‘dobe ones obviously weren’t and so the perimeter there needed some immediate remedial strengthening work. There's a problem with this. Jameson's plat (if the redraws are to be believed) shows that the outer walls ARE stone and not adobe. I hear him describing adobe houses built against a stone wall. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the stone walls were in good shape. We know that the north wall was reinforced with the cribbing on the outside. My call (at this moment) is that the east wall was "picketed" outside due to crumbling stone and that "all round" does indeed mean just east and north sides. Thinking from Jameson's point-of-view standing in the northeast corner of the plaza and explaining his plan to somebody, I could see him indicating the "dobe" houses with a swish of his hand and saying, "We can picket those all around to protect from attack." (Sorry, thwarted dialogue writer coming out of me.)
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Post by Rich Curilla on Oct 3, 2008 19:58:20 GMT -5
I also interpret the LaBastida plat to show a ditch "all round" the north and east corner protecting these buildings just as I'm saying the pickets were. And, unless I'm seeing things, LaBastida actually shows the north and east walls of these buildings differently than, say, the rest of the north wall and all other outer walls. Thin line rather than thick line. And looking carefully at the color version of LaBastida in David Nevin's Time-Life book, it appears that he actually indicates some kind of hatching on the amber part of his houses on the north and east sides -- perhaps to suggest picket-enhanced walls. I know I'm stretching, but give it a look and see what you think.
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Post by Mike Harris on Oct 3, 2008 21:08:25 GMT -5
In LaBatista, I only see the ditch on the N E corner. Even on the palisade I can barely make out a bit of a hatch representing the logs (but that's only because I KNOW they're there and make myself see it). Is it possible the L B extension was shored up in the same manner in which the N wall was? We know there was a log/timber reinforcement on the north wall, however it doesn't show up at all on the LaBatista or Jameson index or plat. I suggest this because on Labatista the E wall seems to be continuous to the N end of the granary as one long "wall".
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Post by marklemon on Oct 3, 2008 22:51:34 GMT -5
I also interpret the LaBastida plat to show a ditch "all round" the north and east corner protecting these buildings just as I'm saying the pickets were. And, unless I'm seeing things, LaBastida actually shows the north and east walls of these buildings differently than, say, the rest of the north wall and all other outer walls. Thin line rather than thick line. And looking carefully at the color version of LaBastida in David Nevin's Time-Life book, it appears that he actually indicates some kind of hatching on the amber part of his houses on the north and east sides -- perhaps to suggest picket-enhanced walls. I know I'm stretching, but give it a look and see what you think. I'm beginning to think that this may be one of those situations in a narrative where one missing word changes the entire meaning of the statement. Now stay with me on this....... Let's say, for the sake of argument, that what Jameson intended to say was: "...dobe houses... picketed all around the outside as in letter B." Why the gaffe? First of all, to him, it may not have been a gaffe at all. As Stuart said, Jameson certainly knew what he meant. Maybe "the outside" was just understood to him. But maybe he just left it out accidentally, or, (as I sometimes do when writing) his brain was working faster than his pen, and a word got left out....Or, perhaps he DID write this, and the transcriber (de Zavala?) many years later, left it out... In any event, IF he did this, or this happened some other way, it explains everything, and comports very well with the LaBastida plat. This is because he shows an outer ditch not only along the northern wall on the east end, but also shows it wrapping "all around" the corner, and running down about 85 feet of the outer eastern-facing wall. The earth from this ditch presumably was used not only for fill between the revetment, and the north wall, but also was applied as a mounded outer embankment, or glacis to the exterior of the revetment. Now, if Rich is correct, the eastern exterior wall may have been given a similar treatment, with the revetment being filled "with rocks and earth in between," and possibly with an outer glacis being applied as well. At this point, I am beginning to agree with Rich, and am leaning to the possible conclusion that "all around" did not mean actually all around the entire four sides of the houses, as this just does not make sense. But rather, "all around" the outside of the wall. By the way, I have sketched and doodled the "four-sided" interpretation a hundred different ways, and not one of them really makes sense to me. As I have said before, a crumbling adobe wall is either going to be repaired (as doing this with the readily available adobe brick would have been quite a bit easier than shoring it up with jacal), or it would have been, as I have shown in my book, partially or completely torn down and rebuilt in the jacal style. Bracing a falling adobe house on either side with jacal does not seem sensible to me. So, Rich, I am giving you full credit for possibly solving one of the most difficult mysteries of the Alamo compound. I really think you have something there.... NOW, that notwithstanding, it is certain that these houses were in very bad shape, as they did not survive long after the battle, and no one apparently wanted them, or the property they were on, in early post war deeds and land grants. Good job, Rich. Mark
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