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Post by ronald on Apr 9, 2012 7:54:40 GMT -5
It seems that I read somewhere that when the troops that were retreating met up with Santa Anna most were allowed to go back to Mexico? Is there a firm record of this as it seems out of character for Santa Anna, and if they were absorbed into his units wouldn't that affect the casualty count?
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Cos Men
Apr 9, 2012 13:49:11 GMT -5
Post by Kevin Young on Apr 9, 2012 13:49:11 GMT -5
A document that Tom K is working on would suggest that the Morales Battalion was kept in tact and was back in Bexar after the Alamo battle...as were the presidial companies.
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Cos Men
Apr 10, 2012 13:09:21 GMT -5
Post by Herb on Apr 10, 2012 13:09:21 GMT -5
ronald,
The short answer, is yes Cos troops were incorporated back into Santa Anna's army, but except for a few individuals Cos. and Sanchez-Navarro, perhaps a handful of others, they did not arrive back in Bexar until after the Alamo fell.
Todd Hansen's book includes Filisola's account which includes a breakdown by each unit the losses each unit suffered that participated in the attack on the Alamo. It also includes a report by the Mexican Army's Surgeon, on the status of ALL wounded men from both battles, December, March, that were hospitalized in Bexar at the time of their return to Mexico with the retreating Army.
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Cos Men
Apr 12, 2012 15:29:07 GMT -5
Post by loucapitano on Apr 12, 2012 15:29:07 GMT -5
Herb, I've read some reports that Cos's paroled men were allowed to keep their weapons. Others say the Texans used the captured weapons in the defence of the fort. This included the large powder supply left behind by Cos. It would be quite odd to leave the enemy armed. Yet, capturing almost 1000 muskets would seem to answer the question that each Texan had 3 or 4 guns at hand during the final assault. Any clarification, if it exists, would be greatly appreciated.
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Cos Men
Apr 13, 2012 16:14:24 GMT -5
Post by stuart on Apr 13, 2012 16:14:24 GMT -5
They were allowed to keep their personal weapons for protection from the Comanche. Those "inherited" by the Texians came from the stores.
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Cos Men
Apr 14, 2012 0:15:56 GMT -5
Post by davidpenrod on Apr 14, 2012 0:15:56 GMT -5
All the more reason to massacre the Texans and the Tejanos. What an embarrassment! If word had gotten out that those perfidious pirates and their Tejano allies had treated a defeated Mexican Army with dignity and respect...
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Cos Men
Apr 14, 2012 0:21:13 GMT -5
Post by davidpenrod on Apr 14, 2012 0:21:13 GMT -5
Which raises a question: wasn't the Morales battalion at San Jacinto? Or have I got that wrong?
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Cos Men
Apr 14, 2012 9:00:45 GMT -5
Post by TRK on Apr 14, 2012 9:00:45 GMT -5
A document that Tom K is working on would suggest that the Morales Battalion was kept in tact and was back in Bexar after the Alamo battle...as were the presidial companies. I think what Kevin is referring to is the Batallon Permanente de Morelos, which indeed was back in Bejar in March 1836. Which raises a question: wasn't the Morales battalion at San Jacinto? Or have I got that wrong? I think [Juan] Morales and Morelos [Battalion] are being confused. Juan Morales was commander of the Batallon Permanente de San Luis, and then there was the Batallon Permanente de Morelos. I'm away from my book references and am shooting from the hip, but I'm pretty sure neither entity was at San Jacinto.
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Cos Men
Apr 14, 2012 10:04:47 GMT -5
Post by stuart on Apr 14, 2012 10:04:47 GMT -5
It was certainly the Morelos who were at Bexar and when Cos had decided to surrender after the presidiales defected to Grant and Gonzales, he sent SanchezNavarro into the town to "go and save those brave men. I authorize you to approach the enemy and obtain the best terms possible." At first their commanding officer, Colonel Condelle angrily protested that "el batallon Morelos has never surrendered." (Sanchez Navarro: 98-101)
I've seen nothing to suggest they were later at the Alamo or at San Jacinto and by the sound of the exchange reported by Sanchez Navarro they would probably have objected strongly to being anywhere near Cos.
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Cos Men
Apr 14, 2012 10:58:30 GMT -5
Post by davidpenrod on Apr 14, 2012 10:58:30 GMT -5
So, the Batallon Morelos did not return to Texas?
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Cos Men
Apr 14, 2012 11:06:15 GMT -5
Post by davidpenrod on Apr 14, 2012 11:06:15 GMT -5
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Cos Men
Apr 14, 2012 13:46:27 GMT -5
Post by TRK on Apr 14, 2012 13:46:27 GMT -5
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Cos Men
Apr 14, 2012 16:12:17 GMT -5
Post by stuart on Apr 14, 2012 16:12:17 GMT -5
I'd no doubt they returned to Texas and assumed that they came up with Gaona's division. The point I was making was largely in response to the OP and the thought that they may have been included among the Alamo attackers.
Allowing for the heat of the moment Condelle and his officers were pretty disgusted with Cos, hence my observation that they are unlikely to have wanted to serve under him again. Giving them time to recuperate and reorganise under Gaona rather than turning around and going straight back up would have been as tactful as it was necessary.
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Cos Men
Apr 14, 2012 16:19:43 GMT -5
Post by TRK on Apr 14, 2012 16:19:43 GMT -5
The point I was making was largely in response to the OP and the thought that they may have been included among the Alamo attackers. Understood. One wonders, if the Morelos Battalion had arrived in Bejar a few days earlier, would Santa Anna have thrown them into the March 6 attack?
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