simon
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Post by simon on Apr 10, 2011 23:51:24 GMT -5
Hi,
I believe that the '1824' flag traditionally been thought to have flown by the garrison (in addition to the New Orleans Grey's flag) is now considered to be incorrect and that the flag was the Mexican National Flag (minus eagle etc) but with two stars (in the white section?)
Does anyone know what colour these stars were?
Cheers
Simon
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Post by Paul Sylvain on Apr 11, 2011 9:27:19 GMT -5
You must be talking about he double-star "Coahuila y Tejas" flag. My first assumption was to say "white", but I would have been wrong. Apparently they were gold stars on a white background (see image in below link). According to an online search at www.earlytexashistory.com/Tx1836/Flags/Mexican%20State%20Flags.html:Coahuila y Texas Flag (double star). Texas was a province affiliated with Coahuila (a double state). Capital was at Saltillo until moved to Monclova on March 9, 1833. The flag was made with two stars in vertical position which replaced the eagle motif of the Mexican National flag. Coahuila and Texas were joined as one state in 1825. Almonte said it was flown at the Alamo when SA arrived. Also shown in a sketch by Sanchez-Navarro during the siege. Some would argue that this is not logical since it would indicate a continued effort to remain in the Mexican nation and by 1836 all hopes of compromise and conciliation had passed and the aim of the resistance had turned to independence. Assume the six pointed stars were used since in the Mexican tradition. To use a five-pointed star would indicate U. S. interests above Mexican.
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Post by Kevin Young on Apr 11, 2011 10:09:25 GMT -5
The period written reference, of course, comes from Juan Almonte's Journal entry for 23rd February, 1836: The enemy, as soon as the march of the division was seen, hoisted the tri-colored flag with two stars, designed to represent Coahuila and Texas.
It also shows up on the Sanchez-Navarro drawing in black and white form.
Star colors have been shown as gold, green, and blue. I have see one citation that the blue color comes from William Kennedy's 1841 book Texas, The Rise, Progress, and Prospects of the Republic of Texas, Vol. II pgs 180-181, but on those pages he only quotes Almonte and there is no color reference.
You may want to take a look at Robert Maberry's book, Texas Flags.
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Post by Hiram on Apr 11, 2011 14:51:29 GMT -5
Kevin,
I checked Maberry. No additional details, just the Almonte quote.
On one of the panels in the Long Barrack exhibit, there is shown a Gary Zaboly illustration of the flag referenced in Allen's book Blood of Noble Men. The panel mentions the stars being gold-colored, but I don't see the same reference in Blood of Noble Men, just the Almonte quote.
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Post by Kevin Young on Apr 11, 2011 15:42:02 GMT -5
Thanks John. I was not at home so could not pull Maberry to see...
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Post by jamesg on Mar 27, 2012 17:16:42 GMT -5
I have seen a good reproduction of the Flag with Two Blue Six pointed stars
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