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Post by Paul Sylvain on Mar 5, 2011 21:45:34 GMT -5
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Post by Allen Wiener on Mar 5, 2011 22:08:29 GMT -5
Interesting Paul; thanks for posting. Since Samuel Maverick's name appears on it, I'm guessing this is one of his maps. Nelson's book has a very similar plat map from 1849 on pages 66-67 (new edition), which shows how Maverick subdivided the land around the Alamo which led to the urban sprawl that exists there now. Nelson refers to another map ("below"), which is not actually in the new edition. However, it is in the older paperback edition on page 57 with similar labeling to the one posted above; it shows the surveyor notes for the original Alamo walls and notes the "Square of the Mission" and has "S.A. Maverick" at the top. These plats are all very similar in the outline of the Alamo compound.
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Post by Paul Sylvain on Mar 6, 2011 15:49:44 GMT -5
I've seen the map you refer to, and at a glance this new map looked familiar. Apparently, though, it contains some info not found on other maps. It will be interesting to see what comes of this discovery.
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Post by Allen Wiener on Mar 6, 2011 15:58:58 GMT -5
I can't see it clearly enough, but it obviously includes a lot of written notation and that may be new. I've never seen this one before.
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Post by Jake on Mar 25, 2011 13:05:38 GMT -5
You guys want more information on this map and the other Giraud plans? I'm hesitating about putting up a long post on this ... maybe a short summary of what I know about this?
One thing I can say now is that I don't recognize this specific version or copy of the map, although the image is too small to be sure of that.
We thought that record book had been carried off, not (quite) to say stolen, about fifteen or twenty years ago -- I'm greatly relieved to see it's still in City hands and has been found again.
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Post by TRK on Mar 25, 2011 13:40:08 GMT -5
You guys want more information on this map and the other Giraud plans? Hit us! Oh, and welcome back, Jake |
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Post by Kevin Young on Mar 25, 2011 15:01:40 GMT -5
Yes-I have heard a lot of claims about this map and I would appreciate someone with some experience to make some observations...
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Post by TRK on Mar 25, 2011 15:33:20 GMT -5
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Post by Allen Wiener on Mar 25, 2011 15:53:57 GMT -5
Thanks, Jake! Glad to see your post, and the map!
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Post by Jake on Mar 25, 2011 17:01:20 GMT -5
I apologize most sincerely for being away so long, but I retired at the end of December, and the three months before and the three months since have been -- well, hectic I guess is the word.
OMG, this is a beautiful map. Not only that, I haven't seen such a good copy of it, only b&w xeroxes, not all that sharp.
This is somehow in the long-missing City Surveyor's Book, that was last seen sitting on the desk of a city councilor or something in the late '80s or early '90s, and disappeared when he left office. We (me and Albert Rodriguez the county archivist) figured that he had just taken it home with him. Now it appears it was stuck into the cold storage warehouse, or whatever, without being cataloged, and some fabulous person had the sense to recognize it as important when they fell over it recently.
Let me put together what I can of an outline of these maps, and put it up for you. Maybe Tom will be able to post some scans for me along with the descriptions.
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Post by Jake on Mar 25, 2011 17:03:55 GMT -5
P. S.
And you'll understand why I say "somehow in" the City Surveyor's Book when I tell you this rather complicated story.
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Post by Herb on Mar 25, 2011 17:06:38 GMT -5
I apologize most sincerely for being away so long, but I retired at the end of December, and the three months before and the three months since have been -- well, hectic I guess is the word. Congrats, and great to hear from you, Jake. Look forward to the info! |
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Post by Hiram on Mar 25, 2011 17:14:04 GMT -5
WOW! Outstanding view! This is great stuff. Tom, thanks for the scan, and Jake, looking forward to hearing your comments.
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Post by Allen Wiener on Mar 25, 2011 18:14:48 GMT -5
Amazingly sharp and clear! Congrats on such a find and many thanks for sharing!
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Post by Paul Sylvain on Mar 25, 2011 18:17:00 GMT -5
Thanks for scanning that in. Looking forward to your comments, as well.
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