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Post by alanhufffines on Nov 22, 2010 13:42:49 GMT -5
Most of us tend to forget about CE being reared by the Ayers family after his father's death.
Has anyone ever researched 'the what' and 'why' of his discharge from the Army? I know we have all read it in secondary accounts and so forth so that is not what I am writing about. Were the charges legitimate? Was he the rake he is presented as being? Just thinking there is a potential goldmine here if the court proceedings were more like the Lindbergh Trial.
Thoughts?
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Post by Kevin Young on Nov 22, 2010 13:54:22 GMT -5
Got a nice file on this...and have seen part of the CM records...I think he was guilty as charged...even Sid Johnston's wife felt that way...
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Post by alanhufffines on Nov 22, 2010 14:24:34 GMT -5
Got a nice file on this...and have seen part of the CM records...I think he was guilty as charged...even Sid Johnston's wife felt that way... So, not worth re-opening? |
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Post by Kevin Young on Nov 22, 2010 14:31:09 GMT -5
You mean re-open as a military case? Or just re-study as a historical event?
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Post by alanhufffines on Nov 22, 2010 14:44:32 GMT -5
You mean re-open as a military case? Or just re-study as a historical event? Not a new case, just re-examined historically. |
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Post by Kevin Young on Nov 22, 2010 14:52:51 GMT -5
You mean re-open as a military case? Or just re-study as a historical event? Not a new case, just re-examined historically. I agree--there are a lot of famous folks involved in it-Lee, Thomas, and such...one of us needs to order a copy of the court martial records (the files are referenced in Cry Comanche) |
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Post by Kevin Young on Nov 22, 2010 15:15:22 GMT -5
By the way-the Travis with a grudge was WBT's brother Mark, who enlisted in an Alabama unit to get revenge for his brother. When that unit disbanded before ever getting to Mexico, he joined Company G of the Palmetto Regiment and was wounded at Churubusco...his son went on to West Point.
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Post by alanhufffines on Nov 23, 2010 9:31:34 GMT -5
By the way-the Travis with a grudge was WBT's brother Mark, who enlisted in an Alabama unit to get revenge for his brother. When that unit disbanded before ever getting to Mexico, he joined Company G of the Palmetto Regiment and was wounded at Churubusco...his son went on to West Point. Notable. I did not know that. Thank you. |
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Post by martyb on Nov 23, 2010 10:35:17 GMT -5
Kevin,
Didn't Mark Travis serve shortly during the Civil War also? I seem to have a recollection that he was at First Manassas and later died of influenza. Or am I remembering incorrectly?
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Post by Kevin Young on Nov 23, 2010 21:59:12 GMT -5
Kevin, Didn't Mark Travis serve shortly during the Civil War also? I seem to have a recollection that he was at First Manassas and later died of influenza. Or am I remembering incorrectly? You remember well. He was a 2nd Lt. in the 4th Alabama, Company E, Conecuh Guards. Which means that great Troiani print for the National Guard of the 4th Alabama at Manassas is his regiment! By the way, his sons letter asking for a West Point appiontment is in the US Grant Papers. |
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Post by martyb on Nov 24, 2010 0:25:19 GMT -5
"By the way, his sons letter asking for a West Point appointment is in the US Grant Papers."
Dang Kevin,
Now that's something I should have known!!!!!
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Post by crocketteer58 on Nov 28, 2010 0:57:11 GMT -5
On a semi-similar note - I've seen the photo of Charles Travis, and got to wondering, who else of the Alamo defenders wives, children, neighbors - have been photographed for posterity?
I did also find a photo of Robert Crockett - David's son - though not his son John Wesley, who served in Congress 2 terms and lived into the daguerretype era, as he passed away in 1854.
As Elizabeth Crockett(wife) also lived till 1860 and is buried in Acton, TX - I'd think somebody would have realized her historic significance and taken the picture.
Certain Crockett friends like Ranger Ben McCullough also got his picture taken, before death in battle in Civil War. And old Sam Houston left us a ton of images -
And the widows, kids, relations of All the other Defenders - must have left some visual record, that has not come to light. Just wondering............
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Post by Rich Curilla on Nov 28, 2010 18:45:21 GMT -5
Dusty attics... hidden treasures.
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Post by Kevin Young on Nov 28, 2010 19:13:18 GMT -5
Dusty attics... hidden treasures. That's where the 1849 Alamo dag turned up! I would love to see one of Charles Edward in his 2nd US Cav uniform. You figure he would have gotten one taken in St. Louis before they headed for Texas... |
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Post by Rich Curilla on Nov 28, 2010 23:56:12 GMT -5
As Elizabeth Crockett(wife) also lived till 1860 and is buried in Acton, TX - I'd think somebody would have realized her historic significance and taken the picture............. Never thought of it, but this is really strange. One would think she would have had at least the popularity that Susanna Dickinson had throughout her later life, and more. It would almost make one think that she shunned popular attention. Of course, she did live in Acton, Texas, not in Austin. Out of sight; out of mind. A sort of possibly revealing story was told in the BBC Alamo documentary a decade or more ago. Crockett's g-g-?-granddaughter, who lived in Acton or Granbury or somewhere in that area, was interviewed and told of how when her picture appeared on the front page of their newspaper for some Crockett connection, she had neighbors calling her house thinking she had died. They regarded her as a cherished old neighbor, not Davy Crockett's kin. |
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