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Post by whitley on Aug 22, 2010 19:32:11 GMT -5
I am a 1C/4xR to Jonathan Lindley whose mother, Elizabeth (Whitley) Lindley, was a sister to my GGGgrandfather Randolph Whitley.
Jonathan participated in the Siege of Bexar in Nov/Dec 1835, signed the Voter List of 1 Feb 1836 as a member of the Alamo garrison, and died in the Battle of the Alamo. Since he was at the Alamo on 1st of February, how is it that some claim he was a member of the "Immortal 32" from Gonzales? Did Amelia Williams get it wrong, as well as others?
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Post by Kevin Young on Aug 23, 2010 10:18:18 GMT -5
I am probably among those who got it wrong (at least back in my youth) when I was researching Illinois' sole Alamo defender. At that point, the story was that Lindley returned home for Christmas and was on his way back to the Alamo when the siege started, and then went in with the 32. Of course the voting list, which susequently was re-found misfiled in the 1990's, does have him voting on 1 February.
Tom Lindley did some reseach on him, and I will note that Tom's article in the Handbook of Texas does not mention the 32 connection at all, but does build a case for Lindley being with Carey's artillery.
Tom and I also disagreeded on his birthplace in Illinois. My original research leaned toward what is now Moultrie County, Illinois and Tom's went with the Sangamon County location. In subsequent years, and reviewing Tom's research on this and another family members work, I am now inclined to go with Sangamon County as well.
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Post by sloanrodgers on Aug 23, 2010 23:13:58 GMT -5
Now I'm confused and don't mean to stir up TRL's ghost. Amelia Williams tells me that Pvt. Johnathon L. Lindley was a 30 something, English-born bloke from Gonzales, when he charged off on March 1, '36 to save the Alamo. Who's who in this Inspector Lynley mystery.  |
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Post by sloanrodgers on Aug 24, 2010 21:29:29 GMT -5
I guess nobody listens to Amelia anyway.
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Post by sloanrodgers on Aug 25, 2010 23:18:47 GMT -5
Jonathan participated in the Siege of Bexar in Nov/Dec 1835, signed the Voter List of 1 Feb 1836 as a member of the Alamo garrison, and died in the Battle of the Alamo. Since he was at the Alamo on 1st of February, how is it that some claim he was a member of the "Immortal 32" from Gonzales? Did Amelia Williams get it wrong, as well as others? It's strange that this Johnathon Lindley didn't receive any donation grants for his service in the two Bexar battles, but his heirs got a lot of bounty grant acreage in various counties. Maybe I'm just the suspicious type. |
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Post by sloanrodgers on Aug 26, 2010 22:24:21 GMT -5
There were apparently a few Johnathon (John) Lindley (Linley, Linsey, etc.) running about during the Texas Revolution. Author Bill Groneman agrees with Mrs. Williams that the Alamo Lindley was from England, but Thomas Ricks Lindley thought she was mistaking him for a John Lindley who was stationed at Goliad at one point. A Johnathon Lindley from Illinois appears as a victim of the Alamo battle in the March 24, 1836 Telegraph and Texas Register, but the muster roll of Capt. Carey's Alamo artillery company only has a man listed as P. Lindley. Around this same time Capt. William H. Smith's cavalry unit has a private named John Lindley. Is this the same William H. Smith who died in the Alamo? Maybe this Lindley followed his captain into the Alamo. There is no contemporary document for a Johnathon Lindley's presence at the Alamo. There's a May 14, 1839 certificate for a previously issued pay voucher ( # 9189 ) signed by Secretary of War Albert Sidney Johnston. It ambiguously states that a Johnathon Lindley, deceased served in Col. J. C. Niell's command, District of Bexar, Dec. 14, 1835 until Lindley's last payment date of March 6, 1836, but does not state that this Lindley died in the Alamo battle. It also doesn't state the specific company, which seems a little odd for this type of document. Johnathon Lindley Certificate (#9189) for Last Pay Voucher. tslarc.tsl.state.tx.us/repclaims/61/06100108.pdfCapt. W. R. Carey's Muster Roll with P. Lindley www.tshaonline.org/supsites/military/l/carewr9l.htmCapt. William H. Smith's Muster Roll with John Lindley www.tshaonline.org/supsites/military/l/smitwh9l.htm |
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Post by sloanrodgers on Sept 9, 2010 22:10:22 GMT -5
Here's some documentation (see link below) on Johnathon Lindley from Illinois that I found a few weeks ago, but neglected to post through lack of interest. I thought I would put them out there for anyone who wants to research this supposed Alamo defender further. The heirs of this Johnathon Lindley seemed to have initially filed a bounty grant (#577 on page 6) on Jan. 26, 1858, which was suspended a couple weeks later. A few months after the suspension the heirs filed for another bounty grant (#9132 on pages 1 & 2) on Jun. 24, 1858, but is incomplete. A few days after the 2nd bounty attempt they filed for a donation grant (#884 "no battle listed" on page 10), which was approved, but never issued. On Feb. 9, '60 the 1st bounty grant (#577 on page 8) and 2nd bounty grant (#9132 on page 4) were approved, but withdrawn four days later. At some point these claims were sent to the Court of Claims for an investigation that probably resulted in this Lindley never being issued donation grants for services at the siege of Bexar and battle of the Alamo. * Note ~ Pages #3, 5 and 7 are interesting for the inaccurate and scant criteria the land grant filers thought was necessary for bounty and donation approval. General Land Office, Court of Claims - No Abstract Number "Click on View PDF" wwwdb.glo.state.tx.us/central/LandGrants/landgrants.cfm?intID=487711 |
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Post by Kevin Young on Sept 10, 2010 7:17:53 GMT -5
Not lack of interest, but just been busy on some other projects...
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Post by TRK on Sept 10, 2010 8:15:56 GMT -5
Ditto. Thanks for sharing your research, RR.
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Post by sloanrodgers on Sept 12, 2010 17:58:23 GMT -5
Well I stand corrected and thanks. There seem to be a few phony Alamo and San Jacinto veterans when you compare modern lists to contemporary documents or the lack of them. I was unable to locate a Jonathon Lindley in the siege of Bexar, but found that an apparent relative, Joseph Lindley served in Captain John Crane's Company under Milam. This was later confirmed by two of Crane's soldiers ( James Collard and John Sadler ) in an 1874 affidavit. The heirs of Jonathon Lindley may have confused Joseph's combat duties at Bexar for Jonathon's lesser service at another location. Of course Jonathon Lindley of Ill. could have been at the Alamo and left little evidence of his presence, but then so could one of the other soldiers with similar names. On another note. Joseph Lindley is supposed to have also served at San Jacinto, but I can't find any proof of his participation in the battle. Collard and Sadler testimony - Republic Claim 225-660 tslarc.tsl.state.tx.us/repclaims/225/22500660.pdfJoseph Lindley - Texas State Cemetery, Austin, Texas www.cemetery.state.tx.us/pub/user_form.asp?pers_id=100 |
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Post by Kevin Young on Sept 13, 2010 10:11:59 GMT -5
Just pulled the old Lindley file--John Sadler was Jonathan L. Lindley of Illinois brother-in-law.
I also have a copy of Jonathan Lindley of Illinois's Apprasiement of estate date 1839 which is out of the Montgomery County records in which has the Alamo service bounty listed.
There is a document done by Tom Lindley for Jim Hightower on Lindley that I will have to read through and compare notes.
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Post by sloanrodgers on Sept 13, 2010 18:23:42 GMT -5
The familial connection with Sadler is interesting, but I thought Amelia's Johnathon L. Lindley was from England, not Illinois.
I have not seen Johnathon Lindley of Illinois' Montgomery Co. estate records, but wouldn't his various bounty land grants
be issued for his military service and not for rumored service in the Alamo fight? It's my understanding that only donation
grants were issued for specific battles. Some non donation grants mention battle service as a forethought, afterthought
or for other reasons, but it wasn't a requirement to receive bounty land.
Which one did TRL research for Mr. Hightower, the Illinois, English or Goliad Lindley? I remember that he talked about all
three in Alamo Traces, but I don't have his book with me right now.
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Post by Kevin Young on Sept 13, 2010 20:10:03 GMT -5
The familial connection with Sadler is interesting, but I thought Amelia's Johnathon L. Lindley was from England, not Illinois. I have not seen Johnathon Lindley of Illinois' Montgomery Co. estate records, but wouldn't his various bounty land grants be issued for his military service and not for rumored service in the Alamo fight? It's my understanding that only donation grants were issued for specific battles. Some non donation grants mention battle service as a forethought, afterthought or for other reasons, but it wasn't a requirement to receive bounty land. Which one did TRL research for Mr. Hightower, the Illinois, English or Goliad Lindley? I remember that he talked about all three in Alamo Traces, but I don't have his book with me right now. Well, Tom says AW source for Lindley being in Moe is from the Telegraph and Texas Register list--but that she ignored the Illinois reference. The probate record clearly mentions his Alamo service. |
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Post by sloanrodgers on Sept 13, 2010 22:29:24 GMT -5
Both of their opinions on second hand or third hand accounts seem kind of flimsy and not to the standard of most donation land grants. Some of those old Court of Claims
Commissioners would have crooked an eye and spit blood on looking upon a donation claim with no contemporary pay vouchers, receipts or witness testimony.
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