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Post by alanhufffines on Aug 2, 2010 22:37:37 GMT -5
Howdy y'all:
First post to any Alamo Forum anywhere and it just happens to be a goofy question. Here goes:
Does anyone know of, or have, the original Andrade account where the demons with flaming swords and balls of fire choused off his soldados in May 1836?
Have been looking for the earliest telling (or re-telling) of this story and cannot find anywhere.
Obliged to you all in advance.
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Post by Chuck T on Aug 2, 2010 23:56:31 GMT -5
Alan: I don't have clue as to what you are talking about. I just didn't want to miss this opportunity to say how much I enjoyed Blood of Noble Men LTC(R) Chuck Treese
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Post by Allen Wiener on Aug 3, 2010 6:57:32 GMT -5
Alan, I'm clueless on this one too, but wanted to welcome you to the forum!
Allen
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Post by garyzaboly on Aug 3, 2010 7:04:24 GMT -5
Alan, Welcome old pard! The Andrade-ghosts episode comes from Adina De Zavala's 1917 book, HISTORY AND LEGENDS OF THE ALAMO. Gary
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Post by Jim Boylston on Aug 3, 2010 7:49:55 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum, Alan. Happy to have you!
Jim
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Post by TRK on Aug 3, 2010 8:18:02 GMT -5
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Post by Kevin Young on Aug 3, 2010 8:28:33 GMT -5
I think Gary is right- De Zavala seems to be the source.
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Post by Herb on Aug 3, 2010 8:30:43 GMT -5
Welcome, Alan, a long time since Ft Knox!
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Post by Rich Curilla on Aug 3, 2010 8:31:09 GMT -5
Alan, Welcome old pard! The Andrade-ghosts episode comes from Adina De Zavala's 1917 book, HISTORY AND LEGENDS OF THE ALAMO. Gary Alan, I have Adina somewhere. I'll check tonight, if somebody doesn't beat me to it. Welcome aboard, Rich
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Post by alamonorth on Aug 3, 2010 10:29:43 GMT -5
Andrade's documents as translated by Roger Borroel in his 1997 publication After the Battle of the Alamo make no mention of this story; so who knows where de Zavala got her information.
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Post by TRK on Aug 3, 2010 10:40:44 GMT -5
Andrade's documents as translated by Roger Borroel in his 1997 publication After the Battle of the Alamo make no mention of this story; so who knows where de Zavala got her information. Not that I believe the story, but Andrade would have had to be nuts to recite a ghost story in an official report to explain why he failed to level the Alamo The de Zavala story states, or at least implies, that it had its origins in an old San Antonio newspaper article.
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Post by alanhufffines on Aug 3, 2010 11:29:51 GMT -5
Many thanks to all of you and have been a frequent visitor to the site over the years. Really great discussions and more importantly civil behavior. I am humbled.
Pity there is not something earlier than Adina, but it always smacked of the 20th Century.
And who is my old pard from Knox? I am sorry but I don't recognize 'wolfpack.' I just overnighted at Knox last weekend. What a change.
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Post by Rich Curilla on Aug 3, 2010 13:57:31 GMT -5
Well, buddy, I've just re-read the Adina version of the story and it certainly has the ring of "some Indian told some vaqueros." lol. Hope you find something more *primary* than this.
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Post by garyzaboly on Aug 3, 2010 14:22:34 GMT -5
Well, buddy, I've just re-read the Adina version of the story and it certainly has the ring of "some Indian told some vaqueros." lol. Hope you find something more *primary* than this. Oftentimes there's a lot of truth in local legends and oral history, even "third-hand rumors." Many Mexican soldiers remained in Texas after San Jacinto, becoming servants for the most part, and who knows what stories they had to tell. The Bexarenos also heard these stories. This is why such anecdotes generally ended up in town histories, or books like Zavala's, many decades after the fact. Unfortunately, such "handed-down" tales were repeated so often that the source was eventually forgotten, and lost to history. The challenge is whether to believe they sprang from authentic origins.
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Post by alanhufffines on Aug 3, 2010 14:23:04 GMT -5
Yes, it does Rich. Here is another telling of the story. I found it on the internet so it must be true. Notice the amount of detail added in this one though. www.militaryghosts.com/alamo.html
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